XPost: alt.messianic
From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid
On 1/31/2026 2:15 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 1/31/26 10:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
>> On 1/31/2026 1:42 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 1/31/26 8:36 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/2026 4:46 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy,
>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so concerned
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> getting payment upfront
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there you have it. This is why commercialism always fails.
>>>>>
>>>>> bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy
>>>>>
>>>>> real goods aren't the same,
>>>>>
>>>>> tho i might suggest we break out design vs production costs
>>>>> requiring that the consumer pay production price upfront ... while
>>>>> the design portion can be paid back as the consumer feels warranted
>>>>>
>>>>> this is moving more towards a gifting economy while dealing with
>>>>> the reality that production has actual sunk costs
>>>>>
>>>>> i mean in the future maybe we will have the energy availability and
>>>>> labor efficiency to totally transcend markets entirely, but i don't
>>>>> feel we're ready for such a stage
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything must be paid for because we all must pay each other for
>>>>>> what others do for us with few exceptions. The system depends on us
>>>>>> all doing that.
>>>>>
>>>>> this especially fucks up computing. 99.99% of the industry has
>>>>> devolved into bullshit work that is not actually economically
>>>>> beneficial. but people need to get paid, and markets just don't
>>>>> have the capability to select for universal solutions to problems
>>>>> like we ought to be implementing with computing (since they rely on
>>>>> competition and therefor competing systems/standards)
>>>>>
>>>>> computing systems are far more like governing systems than real
>>>>> goods production and we haven't collectively recognized that
>>>>> reality yet
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fault that devolves from that is that some of us get more pay
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> others, have more status than others, live apart from us in mansions,
>>>>>> work apart from us in skyscrapers in corner offices, so we have no
>>>>>> access to, never even see those people as far as we know. These are
>>>>>> the people who make the decisions in society. Their separateness
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> us means that they are never held accountable for bad self serving
>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When shit comes down, the blame goes to the person who enforces those
>>>>>> decisions, not to the decider. The enforcer is thrown under the bus,
>>>>>> quietly goes away, is fired or moved elsewhere. In rare cases, maybe
>>>>>> even get some jail time. But the decision stands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the rest of us are powerless. Why can't things be different? '
>>>>>> 1) because those who have the power like having power, will not allow
>>>>>> things to be different.
>>>>>> 2) because the rest of us like it that way too. We are powerless,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> we are also blameless. The guy in the corner office at the top of a
>>>>>> skyscraper did it, not us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too radical? Of course it is, because this is the way things have
>>>>>> always been, since humans stopped being hunter gatherers. This is
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> we know how to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's silly and entirely anti-consumer. it doesn't cost anything
>>>>>>> to grant
>>>>>>> a consumer access to the digital good, let them have the
>>>>>>> experience and
>>>>>>> decide after if it warrants payment for the experience. and for
>>>>>>> continued development by creator. this will create a better feedback
>>>>>>> system where people only pay for products they value after they
>>>>>>> had the
>>>>>>> experience, not before...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will some people cheat the system??? i guess, but that already
>>>>>>> happens,
>>>>>>> and we end up with a worse feedback system where people have to pay
>>>>>>> speculatively upfront for the experience rather than paying back
>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>> experience they valued enough to voluntarily pay for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> never mind all the DRM and platform locking bull crap that just
>>>>>>> wastes
>>>>>>> everyone's time with utter nonsense
>>>>>
>>>>> you know what will make the rest of us not powerless noah?
>>>>>
>>>>> > consolidating our voice by committed consensus making
>>>>> >
>>>>> > #god
>>>>>
>>>>> something the rich are wholly incapable of doing even among
>>>>> themselves since they've mostly been selected and filtered by late
>>>>> stage hyper capitalism, so tbh they're powerless to set up a
>>>>> competing system of consensus making. that's so far off their radar
>>>>> they can't even imagine it coming 🤡🌎
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Late stage capitalism"
>>>>
>>>> https://i.redd.it/6pz3jus402jc1.jpeg
>>>>
>>>
>>> that's because it is
>>>
>>> do u think giving the global masses a voice, the 90% of the global
>>> population the lives off sub $20/day, would use that voice to support
>>> the grossly oppressive and inequitable system of property rights as
>>> it stands???
>>>
>>> > 😂😂😂
>>> >
>>> > #god
>>>
>>
>> People are not the same everywhere. The sub-saharan is vastly
>> different in outlook and ethics from the western.
>
> they are however, quite poor. and they all know it
>
>>
>> To give them a voice in what we can do here is profoundly ignorant and
>> self-destructive. Suicidal even.
>
> imagine an american preaching against free speech
>
What I meant (and you know this) is giving them a say in what we do.
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