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   On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 11:27:04 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
      
   >On 1/31/2026 11:03 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 10:31:21 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 1/31/2026 10:12 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 09:57:40 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 1/31/2026 7:12 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 22:12:41 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 1/30/26 6:35 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 16:02:00 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 1/30/26 2:10 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 13:46:19 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy,   
   and we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system   
   where   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so   
   concerned about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting payment upfront   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> So there you have it.  This is why commercialism always fails.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> But not zero cost to produce.  As a programmer myself, I have always   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> i feel u just entire missed the point of why i started this thread   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> pushed back against the idea that programmers don't need to get   
   paid.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> only by donation if people feel it's warranted   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Remember shareware?  A hodge podge of unfinished somethings, thrown   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> remember linux??? oh wait, that runs like most of the internet by now,   
   >>>>>>> it's impossible to forget   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> also like *all* programming infrastructure anyone uses to build   
   anything   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> out there to see if there might be any interest.   
   >>>>>>>> 1)  No great rush of interest, so I won't waste my time finishing it   
   >>>>>>>> 2)  It is unfinished, so why would I be interested in it?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> look bro, i'm suggesting we *ban* the sale of close sourced software,   
   >>>>>>> and remove copyrights for it   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> this isn't a competition between paradigms, this is changing the   
   >>>>>>> paradigm such that we develop the will to support it   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> will some software then not get developed??? sure, but we're drowning   
   in   
   >>>>>>> *way* to much software so that's a good thing. more is not better, even   
   >>>>>>> if most economists are moronically allergic to the notion that making   
   >>>>>>> money =/= societal benefit   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So you want to trash an entire industry and a scholastic discipline.   
   >>>>>> Are you expecting much pushback on that idea?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I say, for the most part, shareware has been a failed idea.  And   
   >>>>>> linux, to be marginally comprehensible to the average dontnomuch,   
   >>>>>> needed Red Hat to come along and commercialize it.  The last time I   
   >>>>>> tried linux, it was a bitch trying to get drivers for the moderately   
   >>>>>> high end amd radeon graphic card that I tend to run some years behind   
   >>>>>> the market.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Like I tell wilson, sure the system we have is rotten.  And it is in   
   >>>>>> dire need of improvement, but simply throwing away decades of social   
   >>>>>> evolution and returning to some old failed previous idea is not going   
   >>>>>> to make things better.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why do we have the systems we have, what problems were they meant to   
   >>>>>> solve, and how can we actually try again and do better this time?  A   
   >>>>>> little bit better, As we continually go three steps forward and two   
   >>>>>> back.  Let's not make it an entire hike down the mountain back.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> So, I would recommend to you both, to just get yourself a Chrome Book.   
   >>>>> You probably don't need much in the way of PC power for just texting on   
   >>>>> the internet. YMMV.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If that were all I need, that is all I would have.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Did you know that Chrome Books have a free text editor?   
   >>   
   >> I have been known to pay real $ for a good text editior.  Notepad and   
   >> textpad need not apply.   
   >>   
   >A programmer probably doesn't need a fancy high powered text editor to   
   >run on x86. Just upload in batches using an up to date modem and fast   
   >internet.   
      
   There are many uses for a good text editor beyond writing perl   
   scripts.   
      
   >It's digital creators that need an M5 chip.   
   > >   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> u can choose to not code, that's fine ... 99.99% of the industry is   
   bull   
   >>>>>>>>> jobs so the less coders the better   
   >>>>>>>>>   
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   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
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