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   On Wed, 04 Feb 2026 12:23:03 -0500, Noah Sombrero    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 11:19:01 -0500, Wilson    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 2/3/2026 2:00 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 13:15:13 -0500, Wilson    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/3/2026 1:07 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/3/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:14 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> u built a house on a parcel of land and now everyone in the entire   
   world   
   >>>>>>> is just supposed to respect that because???   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> you used resources that no one produced (land, raw material) and   
   >>>>>>> is therefore yours by right of violence indefinitely into the future???   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> what is reality just a giant game of finders keepers???   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> u have no problem with landlords, why in the fuck do u have a problem   
   >>>>>>> with landlords submissive to democratic input???   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> it's always such a weird contradiction libertarians display: no problem   
   >>>>>>> with "private" landlords, but all the problems with "public"   
   >>>>>>> landlords...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> i'm arguing with submature children tbh, freaking boomernomics   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> could we get a little general decency up in this bitch???   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Thank you, Nick, for addressing this matter of property rights and   
   >>>>>> home ownership.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Maybe you've not thought this through.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You own your self, ownership of your own mind and body. Private   
   >>>>>> property is morally grounded in the right to own one's own body, which   
   >>>>>> extends to the fruits of one's labor.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> u are not ur property   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Otherwise, Nick, in reality you are owned - homeless.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's for your own protection - from coercion and allow you to make   
   >>>>>> independent decisions, providing the security needed to live, work,   
   >>>>>> and pursue your own happiness.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> yeah except most of the world is heavily limited by the rights of   
   >>>>> others, and the situation is getting worse by the year   
   >>>>   
   >>>> People have been thinking about this stuff for centuries, and have come   
   >>>> up with some neat ideas.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within   
   >>>> limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add   
   >>>> 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's   
   >>>> will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."   
   >>>   
   >>> Like when we drag "illegal" immigrants from their homes and ship them   
   >>> off to prison or some ugly place.   
   >>   
   >>Breaking laws is like that.   
   >   
   >I seem to remember   
   >   
   >>"I do not add   
   >> 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's   
   >> will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."   
   >   
   >You did say that right?   
      
   In case you did, here is more about violating rights of individuals:   
      
      
   The nationwide nativist dragnet has a long list of targets   
   By David Wallace-Wells   
      
   Last April the acting head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement   
   pledged to run the agency with the ruthless efficiency of Amazon. Mass   
   deportations, he said, should be “like Prime but with human beings.”   
   What followed has been anything but logistically impressive. But one   
   feature of President Trump’s crackdown on immigration does seem beamed   
   in from a seamless law-enforcement future: the suddenly ubiquitous use   
   of facial recognition technology to identify not just those whom   
   federal agents suspect are in the country illegally but also those who   
   are protesting, interrupting or simply documenting the nationwide   
   nativist dragnet.   
      
   In video after video recorded by protesters and observers in   
   Minneapolis, you can see that the agents are also filming the   
   observers, in a sort of mutual surveillance state, I wrote last month   
   (and one that my colleague Tressie McMillan Cottom covered this week).   
   But in truth, it isn’t really mutual. The Department of Homeland   
   Security has tried to criminalize journalism by characterizing   
   reporting as doxxing and observing as impeding law enforcement, and   
   its agents are now threatening and sometimes assaulting people who   
   record them — an effort to secure, in addition to the state’s monopoly   
   on violence, a monopoly on surveillance. This may be another reason so   
   many immigration officers are masked while on duty: They know better   
   than we do what it means to show one’s face. In Minneapolis and   
   elsewhere, agents now carry tools of surveillance into the field, just   
   as they do their guns.   
      
   The most prominent of these phone-based facial recognition apps is   
   Mobile Fortify, which ICE has claimed can deliver a definitive   
   determination of someone’s immigration status but has already bungled   
   IDs. As Joseph Cox of 404 Media reported, it has even identified the   
   same woman as two people, neither of whom was her; the outlet also   
   reported that local law enforcement officers working with the   
   Department of Homeland Security use a different product, Mobile   
   Identify.   
      
   There are also reports that officers are using a tool developed by   
   Clearview AI — which the department acknowledged in a contract with   
   the company last fall would be deployed to monitor assaults against   
   law enforcement. Another app used by D.H.S., Webloc, reportedly allows   
   law enforcement officers to identify particular phones and track their   
   movements without a warrant; Tangles apparently monitors social media   
   to make dossiers on people of interest, including location information   
   scraped from their public social media posts.   
      
   We don’t know yet quite how all of these tools fit together or what   
   purpose the information gathered about protesters and observers will   
   be put to — a viral video of an ICE agent telling an observer, “We   
   have a nice little database” and “Now you’re considered a domestic   
   terrorist, so have fun with that,” has produced denials from the   
   Department of Homeland Security, with a department spokeswoman telling   
   CNN that there is “no database of domestic terrorists run by D.H.S.”   
   The contracts for many of these tools are relatively small, by federal   
   expenditure standards, running just in the low millions of dollars.   
   And surveillance technology is one area where the alarmists and the   
   boosters tend to echo one another in describing the power of the new   
   tools. But while it is a familiar warning from civil libertarians that   
   surveillance tools introduced in one narrow context will quickly be   
   deployed in other, more worrying ways, immigration agents appear   
   already to have made that jump, turning their apps on citizens who   
   aren’t doing anything illegal beyond expressing hostility to the   
      
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