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   On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 22:58:48 -0800, dart200   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 2/4/26 10:56 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >> On 2/4/26 6:52 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>> On 2/4/2026 2:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 13:31:24 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 2/3/2026 4:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:48 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 10:07 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/3/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:14 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> u built a house on a parcel of land and now everyone in the   
   >>>>>>>>>> entire world   
   >>>>>>>>>> is just supposed to respect that because???   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> you used resources that no one produced (land, raw material) and   
   >>>>>>>>>> is therefore yours by right of violence indefinitely into the   
   >>>>>>>>>> future???   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> what is reality just a giant game of finders keepers???   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> u have no problem with landlords, why in the fuck do u have a   
   >>>>>>>>>> problem   
   >>>>>>>>>> with landlords submissive to democratic input???   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> it's always such a weird contradiction libertarians display: no   
   >>>>>>>>>> problem   
   >>>>>>>>>> with "private" landlords, but all the problems with "public"   
   >>>>>>>>>> landlords...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> i'm arguing with submature children tbh, freaking boomernomics   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> could we get a little general decency up in this bitch???   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Thank you, Nick, for addressing this matter of property rights and   
   >>>>>>>>> home ownership.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Maybe you've not thought this through.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You own your self, ownership of your own mind and body. Private   
   >>>>>>>>> property is morally grounded in the right to own one's own body,   
   >>>>>>>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>> extends to the fruits of one's labor.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> u are not ur property   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You own your own body and mind, Nick. Your health is your greatest   
   >>>>>>> wealth. It's all yours. You have a right to the fruits of your labor.   
   >>>>>>> Otherwise, you are a slave - the property of others.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Otherwise, Nick, in reality you are owned - homeless.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's for your own protection - from coercion and allow you to make   
   >>>>>>>>> independent decisions, providing the security needed to live, work,   
   >>>>>>>>> and pursue your own happiness.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> yeah except most of the world is heavily limited by the rights of   
   >>>>>>>> others, and the situation is getting worse by the year   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Obviously, ownership promotes responsible stewardship of resources   
   >>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>> acts as a barrier against violating the rights of others. Your   
   >>>>>>> property   
   >>>>>>> is your protection.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Repeating this assertion does not answer objections raised to it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> What planet are you living on? I thought you said you went to college.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "You own your own body you have an inherent right to the fruit of your   
   >>>>> own labor." - John Locke   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So, let me be clear:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Under communism, you don't own anything, and you do not keep "the fruit   
   >>>>> of your labor", since it has to go to other people that need it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Under the communist notion of freedom you are not free, you have no say   
   >>>>> on what to do with the food or shelter you're producing because it has   
   >>>>> to go to the State, to be distributed to other people.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If that were true, then the fruits of their labor would also be   
   >>>> distributed to you, which would be an enormous profit over what little   
   >>>> bit you put in the pot.   
   >>>>   
   >>> That's where the problem is - there's no incentive to work hard, or   
   >>> work at all, when you get on the State dole. The same low subsistence   
   >>> level as everyone else, forever poor, owned by the State.   
   >>>   
   >>> You already know this is state capitalism, right?, right.   
   >>>  >   
   >>>> But it is not true.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This is not true:   
   >>>>   
   >>> This is nuts! Where's Creon?   
   >>>   
   >>> All creatures great and small are entitled to their own body.   
   >>   
   >> body rights do not extend to property   
   >>   
   >> property rights do not extend to ur body   
   >>   
   >> they are different things   
   >   
   >to say they are the same thing is a category error   
      
   What is it when they say the same thing over and over?   
      
   >>   
   >>>  >   
   >>>>> food or shelter you're producing because it has   
   >>>>> to go to the State, to be distributed to other people.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So, let's be clear.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Private property is a natural right: when you put labor in with   
   >>>>>>> nature,   
   >>>>>>> resources can be removed from the common state of nature and can   
   >>>>>>> be shared.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> All creatures, large and small, have homes where they go and   
   >>>>>>>>> reflect   
   >>>>>>>>> on their good fortune. Home is where your stuff is.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Not this either.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
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