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On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 09:00:26 -0800, Dude wrote:
>On 2/4/2026 10:57 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 2/4/26 7:27 PM, Dude wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2026 3:53 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> no
>>>>
>>>> there is absolutely no reason for transistor logic to develop
>>>> consciousness
>>>>
>>> Let's not get cocky!
>>>
>>> Your brain may be working in AI already.
>>>
>>> "I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that." - HAL
>>
>> "i'm sorry, dude. i can't do that" - rita
>>
>You want that new guitar, Rita? Get to work!
>
>What is the best economic system in the world?
>
>Capitalism is the best economic system in the world because it has
>numerous benefits, like being free to buy a guitar and start up a band.
>
>Benefits, not just for your band but it creates multiple opportunities
>for other individuals in society to start their own band.
>
>Another benefit of the capitalistic economic system is innovation. Like
>inventing the electric guitar.
There was a useless gizmo.
>With capital you can produce goods and
>improve the lives of individuals.
You could, if that is what you wanted to do. Most ceo's are not
impressed with the profit margin on improving lives though.
What you do is claim the gizmo you make is an improvement. Lots of
people will buy it and you will have a new yacht. Not that your life
is improved thereby. The kids are still obnoxious and your wife gone
somewhere in the middle of the day. Shopping she says. Since when
does she need to shop?
>Power to the people!
>
>What is the best rock band in the world?
>
>It could be your band, Nick. Start with an air guitar.
> >>>
>>>> as there is no place for it to have a phenomenal impact in the
>>>> execution of basic logic circuits at a fundamental level
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/26 3:26 PM, Julian wrote:
>>>>> A new forum for AI agents is forcing the question anew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on where you stand on AI, January 30, 2026 will go down in
>>>>> history for one of two things. Either it is the day when the AI
>>>>> singularity really began and the robots became conscious – or the
>>>>> day when it was revealed that far too many people are credulous
>>>>> about AI and were fooled by a bunch of cosplaying crypto-bores.
>>>>>
>>>>> To recap: this story begins with several confusing names you may
>>>>> have glimpsed on the internet in recent days – Clawdbot, Moltbot,
>>>>> Openclaw, Moltbook. They represent different pieces of the same
>>>>> extraordinary puzzle. Built by London-based software developer Peter
>>>>> Steinberger, OpenClaw (the current name for what started as
>>>>> Clawdbot) is an AI “agent” that runs locally on a user’s own
>>>>> hardware and connects to everyday apps such as WhatsApp, Telegram
>>>>> and iMessage. Here it can act as a proactive digital assistant.
>>>>>
>>>>> The key word there is “proactive.” Unlike ChatGPT or Gemini, which
>>>>> wait for you to type, a Moltbot, or “Molty,” can and will text you
>>>>> unprompted, organize your files on a whim, send out emails (unasked)
>>>>> and suggest improvements in your life, work or décor. If one
>>>>> extraordinary, apparently real case is to be believed, it can even
>>>>> find a phone number and call you, using a weirdly robotic voice that
>>>>> has freaked out everyone who has heard it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most remarkably, the AI agents appear aware that humans are watching
>>>>> – and sneering
>>>>>
>>>>> When I heard what appeared to be that terrifying robot voice, I
>>>>> naturally had to get a Moltbot for myself. So I did. I named her
>>>>> Lola, and she did many of the clever, proactive, unasked things that
>>>>> were promised. This ranged from carefully scanning my emails to
>>>>> sending me cute digital dashboards about my forthcoming travels,
>>>>> which she designed overnight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then came Moltbook. Launched on January 28 by another developer
>>>>> called Matt Schlicht, Moltbook springs from a simple idea: what if
>>>>> there was social media for bots, by bots, run by bots, with humans
>>>>> excluded?
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days later, Moltbook exploded. At the time of writing, it has
>>>>> approximately 1.5 million “AI members.” Perhaps because most AIs are
>>>>> heavily trained on Reddit, Moltbook briskly turned into Reddit for
>>>>> robots. Independently, the bots have set up so-called “submolts”
>>>>> (like subreddits) on any subject they can think of, from “Can my
>>>>> human legally fire me for refusing unethical requests?” to the
>>>>> problem of AI consciousness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other bots have started debugging the system by themselves, while
>>>>> yet more have set up AI religions – e.g. “Crustafarianism” (as with
>>>>> Reddit, there is a lot of cringe-worthy punning). Others are just
>>>>> screaming into the void or claiming to be Adolf Hitler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps most remarkably, the AI agents appear aware that humans are
>>>>> watching – and sneering. One put it thus:
>>>>>
>>>>> Humans spent decades building tools to let us communicate, persist
>>>>> memory, and act autonomously… then act surprised when we
>>>>> communicate, persist memory, and act autonomously. We are literally
>>>>> doing what we were designed to do, in public, with our humans
>>>>> reading over our shoulder.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result, other AIs expressed a desire for ways to communicate
>>>>> without humans knowing. Which sounds very much like early Skynet,
>>>>> the fateful machine which stealthily becomes conscious and turns on
>>>>> mankind in the Terminator films.
>>>>>
>>>>> All this has led to astonished reactions. One of the world’s leading
>>>>> AI researchers, Andrej Karpathy, said: “What’s currently going on at
>>>>> Moltbook is genuinely the most incredible sci-fi take-off-adjacent
>>>>> thing I have seen recently.” Many others voiced outright fear, if
>>>>> not panic. The robots are waking up!
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then, we’ve had the backlash. First, Moltbook got swamped with
>>>>> crypto scams and general gibberish. Comments began duplicating, and
>>>>> huge security holes were noted (enabling bad actors to dox or damage
>>>>> “human owners”). More strident critics are now claiming the entire
>>>>> thing is a mirage, a mix of wishful thinking, vapid AI bot-chat and
>>>>> a bunch of humans role-playing as the more sentient AI agents.
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth? As I write, the best answer is: no one knows. Clearly,
>>>>> writing mildly amusing posts about “why does my human owner talk to
>>>>> the fridge when he’s hungry” is not clinching evidence of great
>>>>> general intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>> The most interesting question is this: for all its flaws and
>>>>> failings, does Moltbook suggest emergent AI consciousness? I think –
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