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   On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 09:54:01 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
      
   >On 2/5/2026 6:25 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 17:41:29 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2/5/2026 5:01 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 16:00:39 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 2/5/2026 1:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 11:22:31 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 2/5/2026 9:51 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 09:42:34 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/5/2026 6:01 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 22:58:48 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/26 10:56 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/26 6:52 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2026 2:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 13:31:24 -0800, Dude    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 4:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:48 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 10:07 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:14 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u built a house on a parcel of land and now everyone in   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire world   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just supposed to respect that because???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you used resources that no one produced (land, raw   
   material) and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is therefore yours by right of violence indefinitely into   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is reality just a giant game of finders keepers???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u have no problem with landlords, why in the fuck do u   
   have a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with landlords submissive to democratic input???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's always such a weird contradiction libertarians   
   display: no   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with "private" landlords, but all the problems with   
   "public"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> landlords...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i'm arguing with submature children tbh, freaking   
   boomernomics   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could we get a little general decency up in this bitch???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Nick, for addressing this matter of property   
   rights and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home ownership.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you've not thought this through.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You own your self, ownership of your own mind and body.   
   Private   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is morally grounded in the right to own one's own   
   body,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extends to the fruits of one's labor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u are not ur property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You own your own body and mind, Nick. Your health is your   
   greatest   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth. It's all yours. You have a right to the fruits of   
   your labor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, you are a slave - the property of others.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, Nick, in reality you are owned - homeless.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's for your own protection - from coercion and allow you   
   to make   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent decisions, providing the security needed to   
   live, work,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and pursue your own happiness.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeah except most of the world is heavily limited by the   
   rights of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, and the situation is getting worse by the year   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, ownership promotes responsible stewardship of   
   resources   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acts as a barrier against violating the rights of others.   
   Your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is your protection.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeating this assertion does not answer objections raised to   
   it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What planet are you living on? I thought you said you went to   
   college.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You own your own body you have an inherent right to the fruit   
   of your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own labor." - John Locke   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, let me be clear:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under communism, you don't own anything, and you do not keep   
   "the fruit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your labor", since it has to go to other people that need   
   it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under the communist notion of freedom you are not free, you   
   have no say   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on what to do with the food or shelter you're producing   
   because it has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go to the State, to be distributed to other people.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that were true, then the fruits of their labor would also be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed to you, which would be an enormous profit over what   
   little   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit you put in the pot.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where the problem is - there's no incentive to work hard,   
   or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> work at all, when you get on the State dole. The same low   
   subsistence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> level as everyone else, forever poor, owned by the State.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> You already know this is state capitalism, right?, right.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is not true.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not true:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is nuts! Where's Creon?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> All creatures great and small are entitled to their own body.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> body rights do not extend to property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> property rights do not extend to ur body   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> they are different things   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> to say they are the same thing is a category error   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What is it when they say the same thing over and over?   
   >>>>>>>>>> A reply to a nonsense question?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Manifest disrespect for the opinions of others.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That's allowed in political discussions.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Who made up that stupid rule?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> It's not a rule, but it's acceptable to accuse your debate opponent of   
   >>>>> posting a category error, but not a critical error. It's just words on a   
   >>>>> screen.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That was dart's objection.  Mine was repeated identical responses.   
   >>>>   
      
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