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   On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 12:14:31 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
      
   >On 2/6/2026 10:58 AM, Creon wrote:   
   >> At Fri, 06 Feb 2026 13:36:41 -0500, Noah Sombrero  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 13:18:45 -0500, Wilson    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2/5/2026 10:50 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/5/26 6:07 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2/5/2026 4:30 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/5/26 9:30 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/4/2026 10:56 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> body rights do not extend to property   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Your body is your property, you own it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> negative, u do not "own" your body, you *are* your body   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You can't force me to get a COVID shot. Where did you get that   
   >>>>>> crazy idea, Nick?   
   >>>>>>> u cannot sell ur whole body to another owner like you can with   
   >>>>>>> property, therefor the rights are very much distinct.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Your body is your body. You own it. You have a right to self   
   >>>>>> defense. Don't let them take your body, Nick. It's your mind too.   
   >>>>>> Don't get brainwashed into thinking you have no human rights.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> i have *human rights*, and because i *am* my body, my body has   
   >>>>> those rights as well and *i* am inseparable from *my body*   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> ownership rights are not needed for my body because i and my body   
   >>>>> all have human rights...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> property/ownershp rights are for property, the fact there is some   
   >>>>> overlap kinda, does not then imply they are the same things.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> that's a *false equivalence*, and ultimately just liberal nonsense   
   >>>>> trying to pathetically justify the continued use of coercive   
   >>>>> capitalism   
   >>>>   
   >>>> First off, coercive capitalism is not a real thing.   
   >>>   
   >>> If you are at the top of the money chain, and you measure success and   
   >>> what matters in terms of that.  If that, then you don't feel   
   >>> especially coerced.  Because you are doing the coercion.   
   >>   
   >> Rubbish.   
   >>   
   >> Also:   
   >>   
   >> https://infidels.org/library/modern/constructing-a-logical-argument/#lazarum   
   >>   
   >> Argumentum ad lazarum   
   >>   
   >> The fallacy of assuming that someone poor is   
   >> sounder or more virtuous than someone who’s wealthier. This fallacy is   
   >> the opposite of the Argumentum ad Crumenam. For example:   
   >>   
   >> “Monks are more likely to possess insight into the meaning of life, as   
   >> they have given up the distractions of wealth.”   
   >>   
   >I'm not sure someone didn't just make that up.   
   >   
   >We studied this in junior college: Lockean Labor Theory   
   >   
   >John Locke argued that individuals have a natural right to own the   
   >fruits of their labor, a concept known as the Lockean labor theory.   
   >   
   >In his Second Treatise of Government, he stated that because every   
   >person owns their own body and labor, when you mix working with your   
   >hands and labor with natural resources, you create private property.   
   >   
   >According to Locke, every individual has an absolute, natural right to   
   >their own body and the labor it produces. The foundational ethical and   
   >legal principles.>   
      
   That was his opinion.  It does not mean that monks are less likely to   
   possess insight into meaning.  It simply demonstrates the distractions   
   of wealth.   
      
   >>>   
   >>>> The concept of self-ownership, the idea that individuals have   
   >>>> exclusive moral and legal control over their own bodies, is a   
   >>>> foundational ethical and legal principle.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> You have rights to bodily integrity, autonomy, and inviolability.   
   >>>> This is the basis for prohibitions on assault, battery, and   
   >>>> non-consensual medical treatment.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Legally property rights don't extend to one's body, but in a deeper   
   >>>> moral sense the principle of self-ownership treats the body as the   
   >>>> original and most fundamental "property" an individual possesses.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Individuals own themselves because they own their labor, and the   
   >>>> body is the instrument of labor. Or as John Locke said, "Every man   
   >>>> has a property in his own person". This is the foundation for all   
   >>>> rights to external objects. And it's the idea that underpins all of   
   >>>> modern human rights theory.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
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