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   On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 16:35:07 -0500, Wilson    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 2/6/2026 1:51 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 12:24:47 -0500, Wilson    
   >> wrote:   
   >>> On 2/4/2026 12:23 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 11:19:01 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/3/2026 2:00 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 13:15:13 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 1:07 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/3/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's for your own protection - from coercion and allow you to make   
   >>>>>>>>> independent decisions, providing the security needed to live, work,   
   >>>>>>>>> and pursue your own happiness.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> yeah except most of the world is heavily limited by the rights of   
   >>>>>>>> others, and the situation is getting worse by the year   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> People have been thinking about this stuff for centuries, and have come   
   >>>>>>> up with some neat ideas.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within   
   >>>>>>> limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add   
   >>>>>>> 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's   
   >>>>>>> will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Like when we drag "illegal" immigrants from their homes and ship them   
   >>>>>> off to prison or some ugly place.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Breaking laws is like that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I seem to remember   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> "I do not add   
   >>>>> 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's   
   >>>>> will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You did say that right?   
   >>>   
   >>> A nation is not just a patch of land, it's the people. Collectively   
   >>> those people have the ability and the responsibility to determine who is   
   >>> allowed to enter. Our current system chooses who makes the rules via   
   >>> election. Biden chose to ignore immigration law and allow millions to   
   >>> enter illegally. Trump has decided to actually enforce the law and has   
   >>> effectively ended illegal border crossings.   
   >>>   
   >>> TLDR: Illegal border jumpers have trespassed, and as such their right to   
   >>> be here is forfeit.   
   >>   
   >> You seem to have forgotten about that "law is the tyrant's will" part.   
   >> And furthermore   
   >>   
   >>> those people have the ability and the responsibility to determine who is   
   allowed to enter.   
   >>   
   >> Himbo might have won a small majority in the election, but he did not   
   >> win a consensus.  And so some of us feel it is our responsibility to   
   >> stand up and say, you do not speak or act for me, asshole.   
   >   
   >"A social consensus refers to a broad, often near-universal agreement   
   >across society on a particular issue, value, or course of action,   
   >typically with minimal active opposition. It implies a shared   
   >understanding or acceptance."   
   >   
   >Good luck with that.   
      
   It implies that politics should not become a naked struggle for power,   
   to the extent that the truth no longer matters.  All that matters is   
   that my guy, my ideas prevail, and you can go to hell.  Of course this   
   understanding will not work if it is unilateral.  Both sides must do   
   it, must see that cooperation is the only way forward.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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