From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/6/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 12:24:24 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2/6/2026 11:53 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 11:11:06 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2/6/2026 10:51 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 12:24:47 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2/4/2026 12:23 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 11:19:01 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 2:00 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 13:15:13 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 1:07 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It's for your own protection - from coercion and allow you to make   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> independent decisions, providing the security needed to live,   
   work,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and pursue your own happiness.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> yeah except most of the world is heavily limited by the rights of   
   >>>>>>>>>>> others, and the situation is getting worse by the year   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> People have been thinking about this stuff for centuries, and have   
   come   
   >>>>>>>>>> up with some neat ideas.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will   
   within   
   >>>>>>>>>> limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add   
   >>>>>>>>>> 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's   
   >>>>>>>>>> will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Like when we drag "illegal" immigrants from their homes and ship them   
   >>>>>>>>> off to prison or some ugly place.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Breaking laws is like that.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I seem to remember   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> "I do not add   
   >>>>>>>> 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's   
   >>>>>>>> will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You did say that right?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> A nation is not just a patch of land, it's the people. Collectively   
   >>>>>> those people have the ability and the responsibility to determine who is   
   >>>>>> allowed to enter. Our current system chooses who makes the rules via   
   >>>>>> election. Biden chose to ignore immigration law and allow millions to   
   >>>>>> enter illegally. Trump has decided to actually enforce the law and has   
   >>>>>> effectively ended illegal border crossings.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> TLDR: Illegal border jumpers have trespassed, and as such their right to   
   >>>>>> be here is forfeit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You seem to have forgotten about that "law is the tyrant's will" part.   
   >>>>> And furthermore   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> those people have the ability and the responsibility to determine who   
   is allowed to enter.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Himbo might have won a small majority in the election, but he did not   
   >>>>> win a consensus.  And so some of us feel it is our responsibility to   
   >>>>> stand up and say, you do not speak or act for me, asshole.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> It's not exactly clear if you have any United States rights. As an   
   >>>> immigrant, you'd be biased in your opinion anyway. Are you familiar with   
   >>>> the phrase "We the people..."?   
   >>>   
   >>> That phrase applies when  in fact "We the people" have decided   
   >>> something, but not when slightly more than half decides something.   
   >>>   
   >> "We the People" are the first three words of the U.S. Constitution's   
   >> preamble, establishing that the government derives its power directly   
   >> from its citizens, not from states or a Monarch.   
   >   
   > We the people, in order to establish a more perfect onion did   
   > something.  Yes we did.   
   >   
   It's not that complicated. The union is a republic with a representative   
   form of government.   
    >   
   > We the people did not make current immigration law, and we certainly   
   > did not create the forces of govt that currently enforce that law.   
   > You, barely half the people, did that.   
   >   
   Apparently, you have not thought this through.   
      
   We the people means, we choose a representatives form of government. The   
   people themselves don't make the laws or directly elect the president.   
      
   We studied this in First Grade, right after learning to recite the   
   Pledge of Allegiance.   
      
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