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   Message 154,798 of 156,682   
   Dude to Noah Sombrero   
   Re: on freaking boomernomics (1/2)   
   07 Feb 26 10:39:28   
   
   From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/6/2026 10:30 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 10:05:37 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2/5/2026 6:31 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 17:27:12 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2/5/2026 1:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 11:49:49 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2/4/2026 10:58 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/4/26 10:56 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/4/26 6:52 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2026 2:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 13:31:24 -0800, Dude    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 4:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:48 -0800, Dude    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2026 10:07 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:14 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u built a house on a parcel of land and now everyone in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire world   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just supposed to respect that because???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you used resources that no one produced (land, raw material)   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is therefore yours by right of violence indefinitely into the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is reality just a giant game of finders keepers???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u have no problem with landlords, why in the fuck do u have a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with landlords submissive to democratic input???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's always such a weird contradiction libertarians display:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with "private" landlords, but all the problems with "public"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> landlords...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i'm arguing with submature children tbh, freaking boomernomics   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could we get a little general decency up in this bitch???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Nick, for addressing this matter of property rights   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home ownership.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you've not thought this through.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You own your self, ownership of your own mind and body. Private   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is morally grounded in the right to own one's own   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body, which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extends to the fruits of one's labor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> u are not ur property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> You own your own body and mind, Nick. Your health is your   
   greatest   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth. It's all yours. You have a right to the fruits of your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> labor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, you are a slave - the property of others.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, Nick, in reality you are owned - homeless.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's for your own protection - from coercion and allow you to   
   make   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent decisions, providing the security needed to live,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and pursue your own happiness.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeah except most of the world is heavily limited by the rights   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, and the situation is getting worse by the year   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, ownership promotes responsible stewardship of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> resources and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> acts as a barrier against violating the rights of others. Your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> is your protection.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Repeating this assertion does not answer objections raised to it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> What planet are you living on? I thought you said you went to   
   college.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "You own your own body you have an inherent right to the fruit of   
   your   
   >>>>>>>>>>> own labor." - John Locke   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> So, let me be clear:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Under communism, you don't own anything, and you do not keep "the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> fruit   
   >>>>>>>>>>> of your labor", since it has to go to other people that need it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Under the communist notion of freedom you are not free, you have no   
   >>>>>>>>>>> say   
   >>>>>>>>>>> on what to do with the food or shelter you're producing because it   
   has   
   >>>>>>>>>>> to go to the State, to be distributed to other people.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> If that were true, then the fruits of their labor would also be   
   >>>>>>>>>> distributed to you, which would be an enormous profit over what   
   little   
   >>>>>>>>>> bit you put in the pot.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> That's where the problem is - there's no incentive to work hard, or   
   >>>>>>>>> work at all, when you get on the State dole. The same low subsistence   
   >>>>>>>>> level as everyone else, forever poor, owned by the State.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You already know this is state capitalism, right?, right.   
   >>>>>>>>>     >   
   >>>>>>>>>> But it is not true.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> This is not true:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> This is nuts! Where's Creon?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> All creatures great and small are entitled to their own body.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> body rights do not extend to property   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> property rights do not extend to ur body   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> they are different things   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> to say they are the same thing is a category error   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The phrase "all men are created equal" is in the preamble to the U.S.   
   >>>>>> Declaration of Independence. Drafted by Thomas Jefferson and adopted by   
   >>>>>> the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, it asserts that people are   
   >>>>>> endowed with unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of   
   >>>>>> happiness.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Where does in mention property rights?  Come on spare us your twisted   
   >>>>> definitions.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Are you sure you passed High School US Government class?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Fifth Amendment explicitly states that no person shall be "deprived   
   >>>> of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."   
   >>>   
   >>> So now you might want to argue about what constitutes due process.   
   >>>   
   >> With someone that failed to pass Government in High School?   
   >   
   > With someone who thinks jr college is an education.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >> You   
   >>> do know that whole thing is meant to finance new cars and big houses   
   >>> for lawyers.   
   >>>   
   >> Not entirely sure you didn't just make that up.   
   >>>   
   >>> And the one with the most expensive lawyer wins.   
   >>>   
   >> Pretty sure you made that up.   
   >   
   > I'm not that smart.  But I can quote clever people.  When they are   
   > right.   
   >   
   We are going to need to see some data on that. Thanks.   
    >   
      
      
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