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   On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 13:41:28 -0500, Wilson    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 2/7/2026 1:34 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >> On 2/6/2026 2:56 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 2/6/26 1:37 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/6/2026 2:18 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/6/2026 10:53 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 09:39:53 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/5/2026 6:26 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 17:33:09 -0800, Dude    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating for   
   >>>>>>>>> collective   
   >>>>>>>>> or government ownership and administration of the means of   
   >>>>>>>>> production   
   >>>>>>>>> and distribution of goods.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You mean that you allege that is always how it ends up being.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What I mean is, that most socialist leaning countries use   
   >>>>>>> capitalism for   
   >>>>>>> economic growth. Countries that are one party, communist states   
   >>>>>>> that are   
   >>>>>>> socialist end up being the poorest nations on earth.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   Nordic countries (like Sweden, Denmark) are social democracies,   
   >>>>>>> using   
   >>>>>>> capitalist economies to fund robust welfare states, a distinction   
   >>>>>>> often   
   >>>>>>> confused with socialism, as Tara pointed out.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Which is why we call them "social democracies".  Which does not mean   
   >>>>>> they are welfare states.   
   >>>>>  >   
   >>>>> A rose is a rose with another name.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Social democracy combines a representative democracy and a market-   
   >>>>> oriented economy with extensive government intervention, including a   
   >>>>> robust welfare system and progressive taxation.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Look it up.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Noah's out here redefining words and concepts now.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> no he's not ...   
   >>>   
   >> Look it up.   
   >   
   >The idea that social democracies aren't welfare states is an obvious   
   >attempt to redefine reality.   
      
   The idea that social democracies are welfare states is an obvious   
   attempt to redefine reality.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
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   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
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