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|    Dude to Julian    |
|    Re: Did the American Revolution ever rea    |
|    08 Feb 26 12:22:21    |
      From: punditster@gmail.com              On 2/7/2026 1:09 PM, Julian wrote:       > We Americans celebrate July 4, 1776, as our national birthday, and this       > year, of course, marks our 250th. But the American Revolution began       > before that. And when did it end? Maybe it never did. In 1812, warhawks       > in Congress and president James Madison – the man known to posterity as       > the very father of the Constitution – launched an invasion of Canada in       > the hopes of completing the American Revolution. Canada was unfinished       > business. We had invaded Québec in 1775, but that was a disaster. And       > even though the 13 colonies that became the United States succeeded in       > winning their independence from Britain, the newborn US was not       > altogether free. The British still had forts in our territory, British       > agents were suspected of inciting Indians to harry our western frontier       > and the British Navy wielded considerable power over our commerce.       >       > And then there was Canada, a vast territorial base from which the       > British could launch attacks against us, if they ever so chose. So was       > our war for independence really over? America’s first three presidential       > administrations didn’t want war. George Washington declared America       > neutral in the wars between revolutionary France and Britain – despite a       > mutual defense treaty we had ratified with pre-revolutionary France –       > and did his utmost to keep us from being dragged into Europe’s       > superpower conflict.       >       > John Adams hewed to the same policy, despite his affinity for the       > British and deep antipathy to the French Revolution’s ideology.       > Washington had earlier been disturbed by French meddling in American       > politics, notably in 1793 when the French ambassador (or minister, as       > the title then was) Edmond-Charles Genêt enlisted Americans to serve on       > privateers to harass British shipping and promoted pro-French       > “democratic societies.” Those societies were aligned with fully       > homegrown ones that were the nucleus of Thomas Jefferson’s political       > movement (and, eventually, party). France’s revolutionary regime       > eventually turned on Genêt, and he was lucky to be accepted by       > Washington as a refugee. But during the Adams administration, France       > persisted as a source of mischief, abroad and at home in the US, which       > led a Federalist Congress to pass the Alien and Sedition Acts,       > empowering Adams to expel foreigners at will.       >       > Yes, more than 200 years ago, American politics was riven by bitter       > partisan divides over foreign influence and whether to remain neutral or       > aid in a foreign war for freedom and democracy (or, on the other side,       > for the international order and to prevent the spread of radical       > leftism). During the Whiskey Rebellion – which Washington blamed,       > somewhat implausibly, on Genêt –Jefferson even questioned whether armed       > intimidation of judges and federal agents was truly an “insurrection” or       > just an occasional “riot.” The riotous mobs of Jefferson’s own       > “democratical societies,” in their pro-French ardor, were not entirely       > unlike today’s antifa types.       >       > The Alien and Sedition Acts added to Adams’s unpopularity and Jefferson       > won the 1800 presidential election. He believed some of the Federalists,       > notably Alexander Hamilton, really did want to undo the American       > Revolution while the British Empire harbored the same desire. Even so,       > he tried to keep the country out of the European bloodbath by means of       > an embargo on trade with the belligerents. But that only imposed more       > hardship on America’s export industries, including Southern agriculture.       >       > Trade, territorial acquisition, strategic logic and ideology all       > provided grounds for Madison’s War of 1812, a war that America didn’t       > exactly win – the British even burned down the original White House, and       > of course, we didn’t get Canada – but that made us stronger anyway. We       > fought well enough to dispel any notion, in our own minds as much as       > those of the British, that our independence was insecure. And Canada       > became, if not exactly our hostage, a vulnerable asset the British now       > knew would be expensive to protect.       >       > Yet more than 200 years later, Donald Trump likes to speak of Canada as       > fated to become our 51st state, although if he gets his way, Greenland       > will become a US territory first. Trump believes Canada depends as much       > on us today, both strategically and economically, as much as it ever did       > on the British Empire. So why shouldn’t it be ours, as it was once       > Britain’s? His thinking about Greenland resembles the way Americans       > thought about Canada in the lead-up to the War of 1812, too, in one       > respect: he sees it as a hole in our security fence. To forestall that,       > the US has already been the guarantor of Greenland’s security since       > World War Two. Isn’t it a rip-off if Denmark can extort security       > subsidies from us, forever, on the threat of Greenland going undefended       > or, worse, falling under the influence of a rival?       >       > Jefferson had some constitutional qualms about purchasing the Louisiana       > territory from France, yet he found the strategic logic irresistible.       > “There is on the globe one single spot, the possessor of which is our       > natural and habitual enemy. It is New Orleans.” Whether or not Trump       > feels that way about Greenland, he’s doubtless aware, real-estate man       > that he is, that Greenland’s 836,300 square miles exceeds the size of       > the Louisiana Purchase. It would be the largest single territorial       > expansion in American history. Forget the history books – Trump wants to       > write his legacy on the map.       >       > If it happens, it’ll be negotiated: even before Trump pledged at Davos       > not to use force, or tariffs, to take over Greenland, there was never       > any real risk of a War of 2026. But a problem remains. If Greenland is       > already a protectorate of ours in all but name, the same is true of       > Europe as a whole. Sooner or later, the price of accepting the American       > empire’s protection may be accepting that protection implies       > sovereignty. And Europeans may decide they’d rather lose Greenland than       > have to provide for their own defense.       >       >       > Daniel McCarthy        >       US spending exceeds that of all other NATO members combined.              The United States remains the largest contributor to NATO, accounting       for roughly two-thirds of the total alliance defense spending.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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