XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   On 2/10/26 11:08 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   > On 2/10/2026 12:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >> On 2/10/26 9:06 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>> On 2/9/2026 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/9/26 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:53 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/8/26 11:48 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 2:01 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 9:46 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 12:04:14 -0500, Wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2026 3:19 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2026 15:53, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2026 6:02 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/26 1:41 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2026 2:33 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reality is the vast majority of people are totally   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstructed in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action by all the property rights that has been drawn up,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are obstructed in their action to take other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by ethical standards which are agreed upon by an actual   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real world   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consensus (as opposed to wishes and hopes).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no actually established consensus, because we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't put in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effort to do any sort of explicit consensus making.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is just   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a norm enforced by govt run by those who have the majority   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the wealth   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ur too scared to give the world's people an actual voice   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause ofc   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'd vote to redistribute the land moron, as most of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them have jack   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't take other peoples stuff and it won't get ugly.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when people hording stuff, especially life sustaining   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interferes with a basic right to pursuit of happiness ...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then yes it will and should get ugly because ur a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> narcissistic   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociopath u doesn't give a crap about anyone other than ur   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> own greed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> u can take ur ignorance to grave wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Forced redistribution is not ethical.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Worse, it isn't efficient or effective.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Actions that go against natural law are always like that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That go against your self interest, or so you would like us to   
   >>>>>>>>>> believe.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Speak for your self.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Natural law asserts that certain moral principles and rights   
   >>>>>>>>> are inherent in human nature. They are universal, and can be   
   >>>>>>>>> discovered through reason instead of being created by society.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The neat thing about natural law is it exists outside of   
   >>>>>>>> ourselves and our beliefs. No one can own or control it. But it   
   >>>>>>>> can be discovered and recognized, because it is truth.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> natural law, divine right ... what's the difference???   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> u wouldn't know rationalism from ur own asshole wilson   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Okay Nick.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAg_BEEWsAAMNuh?format=jpg   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Property rights are human rights.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 🙄🙄🙄 anarcho-capitalism is a literal oxymoron: landlords (those   
   >>>> with a right to enforce their will in respect to some lands) *are*   
   >>>> the authority over their lands, even moreso in ancapistan...   
   >>>   
   >>> Anarcho-capitalism simply acknowledges the natural rights of the   
   >>> individual, and respects the product of his labor.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> they also totally reject the concept of logic in the process, because   
   >> granting authority to landlords is not getting rid of authority   
   >   
   > Authority can mean some different things.   
      
   anarchy means *no authority*   
      
   one cannot enter into binding agreements under anarchy because there is   
   *no authority* to enforce those agreements   
      
   anarchy proper *must* be predicated on actual *voluntarism*, that is not   
   only *agreed* at start, but also *maintained* into the future, *without   
   coercion* involved   
      
   >   
   > Landlords and renters enter into voluntary agreements. Collectivists   
   > want to think of this as a coercive relationship but that's nonsense.   
   > Landlords are not the state. And a voluntary agreement freely entered   
   > into with a socially enforced mandate for performance is not authoritarian.   
   >   
   > Even a completely voluntary society obviously can have persons they   
   > respect as authority figures. Hierarchical structures are necessary for   
   > human beings to function well, especially in groups. I've never met an   
   > Ancap who wants to get rid of all authority as long as compliance to   
   > that authority was not coerced by a state with the legal power to   
   > initiate violence.   
      
   yes, because ancaps are not anarchists   
      
   the term is literally an oxymoron   
      
   >   
   > All of this is completely logical even if you don't like it or wouldn't   
   > want to live there yourself   
      
   no it's not. ur totally ignoring the land limitations that *we've   
   already hit*   
      
   we've grown far past the point of subsistence living being possible for   
   most people. people are *forced* to depend on he production system put   
   into place long before they were born... or die. that is just a fact of   
   having a planet our size with 8 billion people on it   
      
   a system where *all* the productive land and resource are owned by   
   people who only dole out life sustaining resources in "voluntary"   
   transaction contracts ... is not a truly voluntary system, and never will be   
      
      > ur just deluding urself   
      >   
      > #god   
      
   this is just going to get worse as 21st century automation vastly   
   increases the amount of land/resources that large orgs can physical   
   maintain a productive presence and control over   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>> as an non-denominational anarchist (also known as an anarchist): i'm   
   >>>> skeptical of govt action in general, but understand we're far from   
   >>>> ready for anarchy proper, so govt is here to stay for a few   
   >>>> generations at least. and to get that point we will need to   
   >>>> increasing pare back using govt to solve literally everything we   
   >>>> think is wrong like statist do, and develop communally/voluntarily   
   >>>> supported systems instead   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> With that I agree 100%.   
   >>   
   >> like for example getting rid of patents and copyrights   
   >   
   > Like you said, human civilization is a long way from becoming a high-   
      
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