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   On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 20:53:28 -0800, dart200   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 2/10/26 11:08 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 2/10/2026 12:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 2/10/26 9:06 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/9/2026 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/9/26 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:53 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/8/26 11:48 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 2:01 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 9:46 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 12:04:14 -0500, Wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2026 3:19 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2026 15:53, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2026 6:02 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/26 1:41 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2026 2:33 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reality is the vast majority of people are totally   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstructed in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action by all the property rights that has been drawn up,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are obstructed in their action to take other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's property   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by ethical standards which are agreed upon by an actual   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real world   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consensus (as opposed to wishes and hopes).   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no actually established consensus, because we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't put in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effort to do any sort of explicit consensus making.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is just   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a norm enforced by govt run by those who have the majority   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the wealth   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ur too scared to give the world's people an actual voice   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause ofc   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'd vote to redistribute the land moron, as most of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them have jack   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't take other peoples stuff and it won't get ugly.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when people hording stuff, especially life sustaining   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interferes with a basic right to pursuit of happiness ...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then yes it will and should get ugly because ur a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> narcissistic   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociopath u doesn't give a crap about anyone other than ur   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own greed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u can take ur ignorance to grave wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forced redistribution is not ethical.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Worse, it isn't efficient or effective.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Actions that go against natural law are always like that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That go against your self interest, or so you would like us to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> believe.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Speak for your self.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Natural law asserts that certain moral principles and rights   
   >>>>>>>>>> are inherent in human nature. They are universal, and can be   
   >>>>>>>>>> discovered through reason instead of being created by society.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The neat thing about natural law is it exists outside of   
   >>>>>>>>> ourselves and our beliefs. No one can own or control it. But it   
   >>>>>>>>> can be discovered and recognized, because it is truth.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> natural law, divine right ... what's the difference???   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> u wouldn't know rationalism from ur own asshole wilson   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Okay Nick.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAg_BEEWsAAMNuh?format=jpg   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Property rights are human rights.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> ??? anarcho-capitalism is a literal oxymoron: landlords (those   
   >>>>> with a right to enforce their will in respect to some lands) *are*   
   >>>>> the authority over their lands, even moreso in ancapistan...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Anarcho-capitalism simply acknowledges the natural rights of the   
   >>>> individual, and respects the product of his labor.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> they also totally reject the concept of logic in the process, because   
   >>> granting authority to landlords is not getting rid of authority   
   >>   
   >> Authority can mean some different things.   
   >   
   >anarchy means *no authority*   
   >   
   >one cannot enter into binding agreements under anarchy because there is   
   >*no authority* to enforce those agreements   
   >   
   >anarchy proper *must* be predicated on actual *voluntarism*, that is not   
   >only *agreed* at start, but also *maintained* into the future, *without   
   >coercion* involved   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Landlords and renters enter into voluntary agreements. Collectivists   
   >> want to think of this as a coercive relationship but that's nonsense.   
   >> Landlords are not the state. And a voluntary agreement freely entered   
   >> into with a socially enforced mandate for performance is not authoritarian.   
   >>   
   >> Even a completely voluntary society obviously can have persons they   
   >> respect as authority figures. Hierarchical structures are necessary for   
   >> human beings to function well, especially in groups. I've never met an   
   >> Ancap who wants to get rid of all authority as long as compliance to   
   >> that authority was not coerced by a state with the legal power to   
   >> initiate violence.   
   >   
   >yes, because ancaps are not anarchists   
   >   
   >the term is literally an oxymoron   
   >   
   >>   
   >> All of this is completely logical even if you don't like it or wouldn't   
   >> want to live there yourself   
   >   
   >no it's not. ur totally ignoring the land limitations that *we've   
   >already hit*   
   >   
   >we've grown far past the point of subsistence living being possible for   
   >most people. people are *forced* to depend on he production system put   
   >into place long before they were born... or die. that is just a fact of   
   >having a planet our size with 8 billion people on it   
      
   True, and like often happens, such truths are used to support bad   
   ideas of the speaker.   
      
   >a system where *all* the productive land and resource are owned by   
   >people who only dole out life sustaining resources in "voluntary"   
   >transaction contracts ... is not a truly voluntary system, and never will be   
   >   
   >   > ur just deluding urself   
   >   >   
   >   > #god   
   >   
   >this is just going to get worse as 21st century automation vastly   
   >increases the amount of land/resources that large orgs can physical   
   >maintain a productive presence and control over   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> as an non-denominational anarchist (also known as an anarchist): i'm   
   >>>>> skeptical of govt action in general, but understand we're far from   
   >>>>> ready for anarchy proper, so govt is here to stay for a few   
   >>>>> generations at least. and to get that point we will need to   
   >>>>> increasing pare back using govt to solve literally everything we   
   >>>>> think is wrong like statist do, and develop communally/voluntarily   
      
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