From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid
On 2/10/2026 11:30 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 22:59:09 -0500, Noah Sombrero
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 16:12:36 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2026 2:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:49:10 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nihilism is the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the
>>>>> belief that life is meaningless. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> That's the thing. Moral principles need not be meaningful. It is
>>>> enough to have them and understand their worth to a meaningless human
>>>> being.
>>>>
>>> We studied this at the community college: Political Science (a required
>>> course).
>>>
>>> Natural law proponents, from Aristotle to John Locke, have argued that
>>> laws enacted by governments are only valid if they conform to a higher,
>>> natural, and moral law. It's the basis for inalienable rights such as
>>> life, liberty, and property.
>>
>> You snuck that last one in yourself, didn't you?
>>
>> I think that statement is far too idealistic. Social structures need
>> laws that detail what happens if I kill your dog or you kill my cat,
>> metaphorically.
>>
>> Happenings that are too trivial to require a natural law, but for
>> which there must be consequences.
>
> Because social structures can arbitrarily be anything at all. And,
> when in rome...
>
> So social structures cannot be the basis for natural law or any
> universal principle.
You have it backwards. Natural law is the basis for useful well working
social structures that actually benefit people.
Laws and social standards that run counter to natural law do not work to
the overall benefit of the people.
Universal principles exist.
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