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On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 12:46:49 -0500, Wilson
wrote:
>On 2/10/2026 11:53 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 2/10/26 11:08 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2026 12:53 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 2/10/26 9:06 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/9/2026 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/9/26 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:53 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/26 11:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 2:01 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Natural law asserts that certain moral principles and rights
>>>>>>>>>>> are inherent in human nature. They are universal, and can be
>>>>>>>>>>> discovered through reason instead of being created by society.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The neat thing about natural law is it exists outside of
>>>>>>>>>> ourselves and our beliefs. No one can own or control it. But it
>>>>>>>>>> can be discovered and recognized, because it is truth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> natural law, divine right ... what's the difference???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> u wouldn't know rationalism from ur own asshole wilson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay Nick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAg_BEEWsAAMNuh?format=jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Property rights are human rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??? anarcho-capitalism is a literal oxymoron: landlords (those
>>>>>> with a right to enforce their will in respect to some lands) *are*
>>>>>> the authority over their lands, even moreso in ancapistan...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anarcho-capitalism simply acknowledges the natural rights of the
>>>>> individual, and respects the product of his labor.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> they also totally reject the concept of logic in the process, because
>>>> granting authority to landlords is not getting rid of authority
>>>
>>> Authority can mean some different things.
>>
>> anarchy means *no authority*
>>
>> one cannot enter into binding agreements under anarchy because there is
>> *no authority* to enforce those agreements
>>
>> anarchy proper *must* be predicated on actual *voluntarism*, that is not
>> only *agreed* at start, but also *maintained* into the future, *without
>> coercion* involved
>>
>>>
>>> Landlords and renters enter into voluntary agreements. Collectivists
>>> want to think of this as a coercive relationship but that's nonsense.
>>> Landlords are not the state. And a voluntary agreement freely entered
>>> into with a socially enforced mandate for performance is not
>>> authoritarian.
>>>
>>> Even a completely voluntary society obviously can have persons they
>>> respect as authority figures. Hierarchical structures are necessary
>>> for human beings to function well, especially in groups. I've never
>>> met an Ancap who wants to get rid of all authority as long as
>>> compliance to that authority was not coerced by a state with the legal
>>> power to initiate violence.
>>
>> yes, because ancaps are not anarchists
>>
>> the term is literally an oxymoron
>>
>>>
>>> All of this is completely logical even if you don't like it or
>>> wouldn't want to live there yourself
>>
>> no it's not. ur totally ignoring the land limitations that *we've
>> already hit*
>>
>> we've grown far past the point of subsistence living being possible for
>> most people. people are *forced* to depend on he production system put
>> into place long before they were born... or die. that is just a fact of
>> having a planet our size with 8 billion people on it
>>
>> a system where *all* the productive land and resource are owned by
>> people who only dole out life sustaining resources in "voluntary"
>> transaction contracts ... is not a truly voluntary system, and never
>> will be
>>
>> > ur just deluding urself
>> >
>> > #god
>>
>> this is just going to get worse as 21st century automation vastly
>> increases the amount of land/resources that large orgs can physical
>> maintain a productive presence and control over
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> as an non-denominational anarchist (also known as an anarchist):
>>>>>> i'm skeptical of govt action in general, but understand we're far
>>>>>> from ready for anarchy proper, so govt is here to stay for a few
>>>>>> generations at least. and to get that point we will need to
>>>>>> increasing pare back using govt to solve literally everything we
>>>>>> think is wrong like statist do, and develop communally/voluntarily
>>>>>> supported systems instead
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With that I agree 100%.
>>>>
>>>> like for example getting rid of patents and copyrights
>>>
>>> Like you said, human civilization is a long way from becoming a high-
>>> trust voluntary society. Those sorts of people would fully support
>>> relationships with payments and would not even want to sponge off of
>>> creators for free.
>>
>> just because we are generations from a fully voluntary society, does not
>> mean we cannot, or need not, make progressive steps today
>
>Anarchism is about a stateless system without a *coercive* hierarchy or
>authority. You absolutely can have binding agreements under such a
>system if a mechanism is freely agreed upon to enforce them.
>
>We have voluntary non-coercive authorities today, like the church for
>one example. There's no reason why that shouldn't continue and even
>expand into structures that include agreed-to arbitration to settle
>conflicts when they arise.
Another old system that was abandoned as an authority for various
legitimate reasons.
>There are plenty of potential enforcement mechanisms for breaking an
>agreement that would not require any sort of state structures or the
>physical coercion, that would operate on a strictly voluntary basis.
>
>For one simple example, if the twenty-million people who are a part of
>my voluntary trade group find out that you didn't live up to our
>agreement, you'd find it very difficult to do business with any of them
>and likely any of the other groups who are in agreement with us.
>
>The idea is a voluntary society that's based on the non-aggression
>principle, free markets, and self-ownership.
>
>Such a system would not result in people being deprived of basic
>necessities to live, because human beings are compassionate and do in
>fact care about other human beings. You can see this happening today all
>around you.
>
>Even in nations that oppose other nations, people will voluntarily
>donate and help those other people when it's not prohibited by law.
>Sometimes even when it is.
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