From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 2/11/2026 12:13 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:43:07 -0500, Wilson    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2/10/2026 11:30 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 22:59:09 -0500, Noah Sombrero    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 16:12:36 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/10/2026 2:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:49:10 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Nihilism is the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the   
   >>>>>>> belief that life is meaningless. YMMV.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's the thing.  Moral principles need not be meaningful.  It is   
   >>>>>> enough to have them and understand their worth to a meaningless human   
   >>>>>> being.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> We studied this at the community college: Political Science (a required   
   >>>>> course).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Natural law proponents, from Aristotle to John Locke, have argued that   
   >>>>> laws enacted by governments are only valid if they conform to a higher,   
   >>>>> natural, and moral law. It's the basis for inalienable rights such as   
   >>>>> life, liberty, and property.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You snuck that last one in yourself, didn't you?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I think that statement is far too idealistic.  Social structures need   
   >>>> laws that detail what happens if I kill your dog or you kill my cat,   
   >>>> metaphorically.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Happenings that are too trivial to require a natural law, but for   
   >>>> which there must be consequences.   
   >>>   
   >>> Because social structures can arbitrarily be anything at all.  And,   
   >>> when in rome...   
   >>>   
   >>> So social structures cannot be the basis for natural law or any   
   >>> universal principle.   
   >>   
   >> You have it backwards. Natural law is the basis for useful well working   
   >> social structures that actually benefit people.   
   >   
   > Social structure cannot be the basis because they are random.  While   
   > natural law would, of course be unchangeable.   
      
   That is once again the exact opposite of what I'm saying.   
      
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