From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:07:35 -0500, Wilson    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 2/11/2026 10:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 18:10:42 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>> On 2/11/2026 1:39 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 13:15:49 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Most everyone accepts the core premise that there is a universal moral   
   >>>>> order, discoverable by reason, independent of human-made law or specific   
   >>>>> religious doctrine.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's a pretty big we.   
   >>>>   
   >>> The key words are "We the people..."   
   >   
   >>   
   >> And that statement did not preface propounding a universal moral   
   >> order.   
   >   
   >It actually did do that, inherently and objectively.   
   >   
   >"We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect   
   >Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the   
   >common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the blessings of   
   >liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this   
   >Constitution for the United States of America."   
      
   "Article. I.   
   Section. 1. All legislative Powers herein   
   granted shall be vested in a Congress of   
   the United States, which shall consist of a   
   Senate and House of Representatives.   
   Section. 2. The House of Representatives   
   shall be composed of Members chosen   
   every second Year by the People of the   
   several States"   
      
      
   No this is a document that defines the structure of a government; it   
   in no way propounds a universal moral order.   
      
   As if that could even be possible.   
      
   As if whatever amercans decide their government should be like would   
   be universally applied to all nations around the world.  The fact is a   
   large majority of foreign governments have a prime minister and a   
   ceremonial head of state  of one sort or another (in some places even   
   called a president - russia, france, etc.)   
      
   A very important difference is that pm's can be brought to a new   
   election any time parliament decides to vote "no confidence", or an   
   important piece of legislation fails to pass, like next year's budget.   
   Americans are stuck with their president, confidence or not.   
      
   The us constitution fails all tests of universality.   
      
   Now please realize that I am not inviting you to   
   repeat yourself   
   think I have not understood what you said   
   think I am attempting to undermine anything   
      
   As if our discussion here were of such grave importance that I would   
   be tempted to undermine anything about it.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)