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   On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:15:50 -0500, Wilson    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 23:42:41 -0500, Noah Sombrero    
   >> wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 19:55:00 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/11/2026 7:20 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You have no right to life.  Witnessing a few deaths teaches us exactly   
   >>>>> how fragile we are.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> You have the right to off yourself, or not.   
   >>>   
   >>> Unless you try and fail, then many people in the world would tell you   
   >>> you had no right to do that.   
   >>   
   >> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>   
   >> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>   
   >> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>   
   >> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >   
   >That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
      
   Nice try.   
      
   >Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
      
   Obviously.  But lets not try to enshrine them by accusing them of   
   being laws or universal.  They simply seem to be principles of good   
   sense, to us.  But not necessarily to other people.   
      
   >When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >flourishing.   
      
   My objection is that libertarianism does not qualify as such a   
   principle of good sense.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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