XPost: alt.messianic
From: punditster@gmail.com
On 2/12/2026 12:31 PM, Tara wrote:
> Tara wrote:
>> Julian wrote:
>>> On 12/02/2026 17:13, Tara wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2026 at 11:30:06 AM EST, "Wilson"
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/11/2026 3:32 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/11/26 9:46 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/10/2026 11:53 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/10/26 11:08 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2026 12:53 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/26 9:06 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2026 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/26 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:53 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/26 11:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 2:01 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natural law asserts that certain moral principles and rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are inherent in human nature. They are universal, and can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovered through reason instead of being created by
society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The neat thing about natural law is it exists outside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ourselves and our beliefs. No one can own or control it. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be discovered and recognized, because it is truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural law, divine right ... what's the difference???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u wouldn't know rationalism from ur own asshole wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay Nick.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAg_BEEWsAAMNuh?format=jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are human rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 🙄🙄🙄 anarcho-capitalism is a literal oxymoron: landlords
(those
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a right to enforce their will in respect to some lands)
>>>>>>>>>>>> *are* the authority over their lands, even moreso in ancapistan...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anarcho-capitalism simply acknowledges the natural rights of the
>>>>>>>>>>> individual, and respects the product of his labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they also totally reject the concept of logic in the process,
>>>>>>>>>> because granting authority to landlords is not getting rid of
>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Authority can mean some different things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anarchy means *no authority*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> one cannot enter into binding agreements under anarchy because there
>>>>>>>> is *no authority* to enforce those agreements
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anarchy proper *must* be predicated on actual *voluntarism*, that is
>>>>>>>> not only *agreed* at start, but also *maintained* into the future,
>>>>>>>> *without coercion* involved
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Landlords and renters enter into voluntary agreements. Collectivists
>>>>>>>>> want to think of this as a coercive relationship but that's
>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Landlords are not the state. And a voluntary agreement
>>>>>>>>> freely entered into with a socially enforced mandate for performance
>>>>>>>>> is not authoritarian.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even a completely voluntary society obviously can have persons they
>>>>>>>>> respect as authority figures. Hierarchical structures are necessary
>>>>>>>>> for human beings to function well, especially in groups. I've never
>>>>>>>>> met an Ancap who wants to get rid of all authority as long as
>>>>>>>>> compliance to that authority was not coerced by a state with the
>>>>>>>>> legal power to initiate violence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes, because ancaps are not anarchists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the term is literally an oxymoron
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All of this is completely logical even if you don't like it or
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to live there yourself
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no it's not. ur totally ignoring the land limitations that *we've
>>>>>>>> already hit*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we've grown far past the point of subsistence living being possible
>>>>>>>> for most people. people are *forced* to depend on he production
>>>>>>>> system put into place long before they were born... or die. that is
>>>>>>>> just a fact of having a planet our size with 8 billion people on it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a system where *all* the productive land and resource are owned by
>>>>>>>> people who only dole out life sustaining resources in "voluntary"
>>>>>>>> transaction contracts ... is not a truly voluntary system, and never
>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ur just deluding urself
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this is just going to get worse as 21st century automation vastly
>>>>>>>> increases the amount of land/resources that large orgs can physical
>>>>>>>> maintain a productive presence and control over
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> as an non-denominational anarchist (also known as an anarchist):
>>>>>>>>>>>> i'm skeptical of govt action in general, but understand we're far
>>>>>>>>>>>> from ready for anarchy proper, so govt is here to stay for a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> generations at least. and to get that point we will need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> increasing pare back using govt to solve literally everything we
>>>>>>>>>>>> think is wrong like statist do, and develop communally/
>>>>>>>>>>>> voluntarily supported systems instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With that I agree 100%.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> like for example getting rid of patents and copyrights
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like you said, human civilization is a long way from becoming a
>>>>>>>>> high- trust voluntary society. Those sorts of people would fully
>>>>>>>>> support relationships with payments and would not even want to
>>>>>>>>> sponge off of creators for free.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just because we are generations from a fully voluntary society, does
>>>>>>>> not mean we cannot, or need not, make progressive steps today
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anarchism is about a stateless system without a *coercive* hierarchy
>>>>>>> or authority. You absolutely can have binding agreements under such a
>>>>>>> system if a mechanism is freely agreed upon to enforce them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if u change ur will in regards to their enforcement...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then enforcing them takes acts of authority. prior agreement does not
>>>>>> justify authority in anarchism because anarchism is *without authority*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you find coercively holding people to their prior agreement as natural
>>>>>> because ur just a statist bro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just pick a different word, anarcho-capitalism is a literally oxymoron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have voluntary non-coercive authorities today, like the church for
>>>>>>
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