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   From: tsm@fastmail.ca   
      
   dart200  wrote:   
   > On 2/12/26 9:13 AM, Tara wrote:   
   >> On Feb 12, 2026 at 11:30:06 AM EST, "Wilson"    
   wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2/11/2026 3:32 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/11/26 9:46 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/10/2026 11:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2/10/26 11:08 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/10/2026 12:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/10/26 9:06 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2026 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/26 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:53 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/26 11:48 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 2:01 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natural law asserts that certain moral principles and rights   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are inherent in human nature. They are universal, and can be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovered through reason instead of being created by society.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The neat thing about natural law is it exists outside of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ourselves and our beliefs. No one can own or control it. But   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be discovered and recognized, because it is truth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> natural law, divine right ... what's the difference???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> u wouldn't know rationalism from ur own asshole wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Okay Nick.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAg_BEEWsAAMNuh?format=jpg   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are human rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> 🙄🙄🙄 anarcho-capitalism is a literal oxymoron: landlords   
   (those   
   >>>>>>>>>> with a right to enforce their will in respect to some lands)   
   >>>>>>>>>> *are* the authority over their lands, even moreso in ancapistan...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Anarcho-capitalism simply acknowledges the natural rights of the   
   >>>>>>>>> individual, and respects the product of his labor.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> they also totally reject the concept of logic in the process,   
   >>>>>>>> because granting authority to landlords is not getting rid of   
   >>>>>>>> authority   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Authority can mean some different things.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> anarchy means *no authority*   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> one cannot enter into binding agreements under anarchy because there   
   >>>>>> is *no authority* to enforce those agreements   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> anarchy proper *must* be predicated on actual *voluntarism*, that is   
   >>>>>> not only *agreed* at start, but also *maintained* into the future,   
   >>>>>> *without coercion* involved   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Landlords and renters enter into voluntary agreements. Collectivists   
   >>>>>>> want to think of this as a coercive relationship but that's   
   >>>>>>> nonsense. Landlords are not the state. And a voluntary agreement   
   >>>>>>> freely entered into with a socially enforced mandate for performance   
   >>>>>>> is not authoritarian.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Even a completely voluntary society obviously can have persons they   
   >>>>>>> respect as authority figures. Hierarchical structures are necessary   
   >>>>>>> for human beings to function well, especially in groups. I've never   
   >>>>>>> met an Ancap who wants to get rid of all authority as long as   
   >>>>>>> compliance to that authority was not coerced by a state with the   
   >>>>>>> legal power to initiate violence.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> yes, because ancaps are not anarchists   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> the term is literally an oxymoron   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> All of this is completely logical even if you don't like it or   
   >>>>>>> wouldn't want to live there yourself   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> no it's not. ur totally ignoring the land limitations that *we've   
   >>>>>> already hit*   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> we've grown far past the point of subsistence living being possible   
   >>>>>> for most people. people are *forced* to depend on he production   
   >>>>>> system put into place long before they were born... or die. that is   
   >>>>>> just a fact of having a planet our size with 8 billion people on it   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> a system where *all* the productive land and resource are owned by   
   >>>>>> people who only dole out life sustaining resources in "voluntary"   
   >>>>>> transaction contracts ... is not a truly voluntary system, and never   
   >>>>>> will be   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> ur just deluding urself   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> this is just going to get worse as 21st century automation vastly   
   >>>>>> increases the amount of land/resources that large orgs can physical   
   >>>>>> maintain a productive presence and control over   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> as an non-denominational anarchist (also known as an anarchist):   
   >>>>>>>>>> i'm skeptical of govt action in general, but understand we're far   
   >>>>>>>>>> from ready for anarchy proper, so govt is here to stay for a few   
   >>>>>>>>>> generations at least. and to get that point we will need to   
   >>>>>>>>>> increasing pare back using govt to solve literally everything we   
   >>>>>>>>>> think is wrong like statist do, and develop communally/   
   >>>>>>>>>> voluntarily supported systems instead   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> With that I agree 100%.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> like for example getting rid of patents and copyrights   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Like you said, human civilization is a long way from becoming a   
   >>>>>>> high- trust voluntary society. Those sorts of people would fully   
   >>>>>>> support relationships with payments and would not even want to   
   >>>>>>> sponge off of creators for free.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> just because we are generations from a fully voluntary society, does   
   >>>>>> not mean we cannot, or need not, make progressive steps today   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Anarchism is about a stateless system without a *coercive* hierarchy   
   >>>>> or authority. You absolutely can have binding agreements under such a   
   >>>>> system if a mechanism is freely agreed upon to enforce them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> if u change ur will in regards to their enforcement...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> then enforcing them takes acts of authority. prior agreement does not   
   >>>> justify authority in anarchism because anarchism is *without authority*   
   >>>>   
   >>>> you find coercively holding people to their prior agreement as natural   
   >>>> because ur just a statist bro   
   >>>>   
   >>>> just pick a different word, anarcho-capitalism is a literally oxymoron   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> We have voluntary non-coercive authorities today, like the church for   
   >>>>   
   >>>> even the church threatens excommunication, so physically banning from   
   >>>> participation if the crime is heavy enough   
   >>>>   
   >>>> anarchism can have no such mechanism because it takes authority to   
   >>>> enforce it   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> one example. There's no reason why that shouldn't continue and even   
   >>>>> expand into structures that include agreed-to arbitration to settle   
      
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