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   From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   On 2/13/26 3:44 AM, Julian wrote:   
   > On 13/02/2026 06:26, dart200 wrote:   
   >> On 2/12/26 9:13 AM, Tara wrote:   
   >>> On Feb 12, 2026 at 11:30:06 AM EST, "Wilson"    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2/11/2026 3:32 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/11/26 9:46 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2/10/2026 11:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2/10/26 11:08 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2/10/2026 12:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2/10/26 9:06 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2026 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/26 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:53 PM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/26 11:48 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2026 2:01 PM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natural law asserts that certain moral principles and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are inherent in human nature. They are universal, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovered through reason instead of being created by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> society.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The neat thing about natural law is it exists outside of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ourselves and our beliefs. No one can own or control it. But   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be discovered and recognized, because it is truth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural law, divine right ... what's the difference???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> u wouldn't know rationalism from ur own asshole wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay Nick.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAg_BEEWsAAMNuh?format=jpg   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are human rights.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 🙄🙄🙄 anarcho-capitalism is a literal oxymoron: landlords   
   >>>>>>>>>>> (those   
   >>>>>>>>>>> with a right to enforce their will in respect to some lands)   
   >>>>>>>>>>> *are* the authority over their lands, even moreso in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ancapistan...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Anarcho-capitalism simply acknowledges the natural rights of the   
   >>>>>>>>>> individual, and respects the product of his labor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> they also totally reject the concept of logic in the process,   
   >>>>>>>>> because granting authority to landlords is not getting rid of   
   >>>>>>>>> authority   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Authority can mean some different things.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> anarchy means *no authority*   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> one cannot enter into binding agreements under anarchy because there   
   >>>>>>> is *no authority* to enforce those agreements   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> anarchy proper *must* be predicated on actual *voluntarism*, that is   
   >>>>>>> not only *agreed* at start, but also *maintained* into the future,   
   >>>>>>> *without coercion* involved   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Landlords and renters enter into voluntary agreements.   
   >>>>>>>> Collectivists   
   >>>>>>>> want to think of this as a coercive relationship but that's   
   >>>>>>>> nonsense. Landlords are not the state. And a voluntary agreement   
   >>>>>>>> freely entered into with a socially enforced mandate for   
   >>>>>>>> performance   
   >>>>>>>> is not authoritarian.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Even a completely voluntary society obviously can have persons they   
   >>>>>>>> respect as authority figures. Hierarchical structures are necessary   
   >>>>>>>> for human beings to function well, especially in groups. I've never   
   >>>>>>>> met an Ancap who wants to get rid of all authority as long as   
   >>>>>>>> compliance to that authority was not coerced by a state with the   
   >>>>>>>> legal power to initiate violence.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> yes, because ancaps are not anarchists   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> the term is literally an oxymoron   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> All of this is completely logical even if you don't like it or   
   >>>>>>>> wouldn't want to live there yourself   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> no it's not. ur totally ignoring the land limitations that *we've   
   >>>>>>> already hit*   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> we've grown far past the point of subsistence living being possible   
   >>>>>>> for most people. people are *forced* to depend on he production   
   >>>>>>> system put into place long before they were born... or die. that is   
   >>>>>>> just a fact of having a planet our size with 8 billion people on it   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> a system where *all* the productive land and resource are owned by   
   >>>>>>> people who only dole out life sustaining resources in "voluntary"   
   >>>>>>> transaction contracts ... is not a truly voluntary system, and never   
   >>>>>>> will be   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>     > ur just deluding urself   
   >>>>>>>     >   
   >>>>>>>     > #god   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> this is just going to get worse as 21st century automation vastly   
   >>>>>>> increases the amount of land/resources that large orgs can physical   
   >>>>>>> maintain a productive presence and control over   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> as an non-denominational anarchist (also known as an anarchist):   
   >>>>>>>>>>> i'm skeptical of govt action in general, but understand we're   
   >>>>>>>>>>> far   
   >>>>>>>>>>> from ready for anarchy proper, so govt is here to stay for a few   
   >>>>>>>>>>> generations at least. and to get that point we will need to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> increasing pare back using govt to solve literally everything we   
   >>>>>>>>>>> think is wrong like statist do, and develop communally/   
   >>>>>>>>>>> voluntarily supported systems instead   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> With that I agree 100%.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> like for example getting rid of patents and copyrights   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Like you said, human civilization is a long way from becoming a   
   >>>>>>>> high- trust voluntary society. Those sorts of people would fully   
   >>>>>>>> support relationships with payments and would not even want to   
   >>>>>>>> sponge off of creators for free.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> just because we are generations from a fully voluntary society, does   
   >>>>>>> not mean we cannot, or need not, make progressive steps today   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Anarchism is about a stateless system without a *coercive* hierarchy   
   >>>>>> or authority. You absolutely can have binding agreements under such a   
   >>>>>> system if a mechanism is freely agreed upon to enforce them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> if u change ur will in regards to their enforcement...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> then enforcing them takes acts of authority. prior agreement does not   
   >>>>> justify authority in anarchism because anarchism is *without   
   >>>>> authority*   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> you find coercively holding people to their prior agreement as natural   
   >>>>> because ur just a statist bro   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> just pick a different word, anarcho-capitalism is a literally oxymoron   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> We have voluntary non-coercive authorities today, like the church for   
   >>>>>   
      
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