From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/13/2026 9:14 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   > On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >>>   
   >>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >>> flourishing.   
   >>   
   >> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work   
   >> next century   
   >>   
   >>  > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >>  >   
   >>  > #god   
   >>   
   >   
   > That's not how universal principles work.   
   >   
   > Things like:   
   > - Don't steal   
   > - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   > - Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   > - Take responsibility for your actions   
   > - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >   
   It kind of looks like two informants are not smarter than a fifth   
   grader. Maybe they think communism is a better system. It's starting to   
   look like that because they don't seem to have any cogent arguments for   
   a closed society. YMMV.   
      
   Everyone that's been to school in the US and Europe learned that based   
   on international law and philosophical tradition, humans are considered   
   to have innate, inherent, and inalienable human rights.   
      
   These rights are not granted by governments, but are possessed by every   
   individual from birth simply by virtue of being human.   
      
   Including rights to life, liberty, and freedom, as established by the UN   
   Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Maybe they need to get some   
   smarts and read a history book.   
      
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