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   On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:27:41 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
      
   >On 2/13/2026 9:14 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >>>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >>>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >>>> flourishing.   
   >>>   
   >>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work   
   >>> next century   
   >>>   
   >>>  > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >>>  >   
   >>>  > #god   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> That's not how universal principles work.   
   >>   
   >> Things like:   
   >> - Don't steal   
   >> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   >> - Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   >> - Take responsibility for your actions   
   >> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >>   
   >It kind of looks like two informants are not smarter than a fifth   
   >grader. Maybe they think communism is a better system. It's starting to   
   >look like that because they don't seem to have any cogent arguments for   
   >a closed society. YMMV.   
   >   
   >Everyone that's been to school in the US and Europe learned that based   
   >on international law and philosophical tradition, humans are considered   
   >to have innate, inherent, and inalienable human rights.   
      
   Learned.  Right that is how social structures get passed down.  And   
   true they must be learned.   
      
   >These rights are not granted by governments, but are possessed by every   
   >individual from birth simply by virtue of being human.   
      
   Unless they are not permitted by governments.   
      
   >Including rights to life, liberty, and freedom, as established by the UN   
   >Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Maybe they need to get some   
   >smarts and read a history book.   
      
   Yes, too bad the un is so toothless.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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