From: tsm@fastmail.ca   
      
   On Feb 13, 2026 at 12:50:06 PM EST, "Noah Sombrero"  wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:14:08 -0500, Wilson    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >>>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >>>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >>>> flourishing.   
   >>>   
   >>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work   
   >>> next century   
   >>>   
   >>>> the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >>>>   
   >>>> #god   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> That's not how universal principles work.   
   >>   
   >> Things like:   
   >> - Don't steal   
   >> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   >> - Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   >> - Take responsibility for your actions   
   >> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >   
   > Christian principles.  Not universal.  Although it might seem like   
   > that to a true believer.   
      
    "If you were suddenly plucked from your life and sent back in time to live   
   with people in Indonesia about 15,000 years ago (or even Ethiopia 150,000   
   years ago), you would be able to figure out what is going on. The basic social   
   roles, responsibilities, and civil rules would seem somewhat familiar to you,   
   and you'd fit in pretty fast. How is that possible?   
      
   Cultural anthropologists have long recognized how all human societies have   
   similar basic norms of moral conduct. Marc Hauser, professor of evolutionary   
   biology at Harvard University, has just published a paper about additional   
   studies showing that people’s moral intuitions do not vary much across   
   different religions all around the world. From an evolutionary perspective,   
   that means that human morality is very old — old enough to pre-date any   
   religion that exists today. Furthermore, basic morality is highly resistant to   
   religious influence — most people easily reject religious rules that violate   
   their basic moral intuitions. Rather, religions all tend to confirm and   
   support human morality, because that essential morality sustains our schemes   
   of social cooperation."   
      
   https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/morality_evolved_first_long_be   
   ore_religion/#:~:text=If%20you%20were%20suddenly%20plucked,viola   
   e%20their%20basic%20moral%20intuitions.   
      
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