XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 2/13/2026 1:12 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   > On 2/12/26 8:30 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 2/11/2026 3:32 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 2/11/26 9:46 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/10/2026 11:53 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> just because we are generations from a fully voluntary society,   
   >>>>> does not mean we cannot, or need not, make progressive steps today   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Anarchism is about a stateless system without a *coercive* hierarchy   
   >>>> or authority. You absolutely can have binding agreements under such   
   >>>> a system if a mechanism is freely agreed upon to enforce them.   
   >>>   
   >>> if u change ur will in regards to their enforcement...   
   >>>   
   >>> then enforcing them takes acts of authority. prior agreement does not   
   >>> justify authority in anarchism because anarchism is *without authority*   
   >>>   
   >>> you find coercively holding people to their prior agreement as   
   >>> natural because ur just a statist bro   
   >>>   
   >>> just pick a different word, anarcho-capitalism is a literally oxymoron   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> We have voluntary non-coercive authorities today, like the church for   
   >>>   
   >>> even the church threatens excommunication, so physically banning from   
   >>> participation if the crime is heavy enough   
   >>>   
   >>> anarchism can have no such mechanism because it takes authority to   
   >>> enforce it   
   >>>   
   >>>> one example. There's no reason why that shouldn't continue and even   
   >>>> expand into structures that include agreed-to arbitration to settle   
   >>>> conflicts when they arise.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There are plenty of potential enforcement mechanisms for breaking an   
   >>>> agreement that would not require any sort of state structures or the   
   >>>> physical coercion, that would operate on a strictly voluntary basis.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> For one simple example, if the twenty-million people who are a part   
   >>>> of my voluntary trade group find out that you didn't live up to our   
   >>>> agreement, you'd find it very difficult to do business with any of   
   >>>> them and likely any of the other groups who are in agreement with us.   
   >>>   
   >>> why do u need to do business with others if u can just take what you   
   >>> need??? lol   
   >>>   
   >>> again, ur just such a statist u can't even imagine a world without   
   >>> authority ensuring order   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The idea is a voluntary society that's based on the non-aggression   
   >>>> principle, free markets, and self-ownership.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Such a system would not result in people being deprived of basic   
   >>>> necessities to live, because human beings are compassionate and do   
   >>>> in fact care about other human beings. You can see this happening   
   >>>> today all around you.   
   >>>   
   >>> at a superficial level if even   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Even in nations that oppose other nations, people will voluntarily   
   >>>> donate and help those other people when it's not prohibited by law.   
   >>>> Sometimes even when it is.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> A society without leaders is mob rule.   
   >   
   > anarchy can have leaders   
   >   
   > they just can't lead thru coercion, whether under "voluntary" contract   
   > or otherwise   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Just come out and say it Nick, you're an anarcho-communist.   
   >>   
   >   
   > no, i'm just an anarchist. i have a lot in common with communists, and   
   > empathize with them to a large degree...   
   >   
   > but i see the progression to the goal in a totally different light and   
   > am incredibly skeptical of any dictatorship of the proletariat nonsense,   
   > especially given the shitshow that was 20th century socialism   
   >   
   > u on the hand are just a libertarian capitalist   
      
   Agreed. Free markets and free people.   
      
   >   
   > anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. doesn't exist, and will never exist   
      
   Come on man, it's got an entry on wikipedia.   
      
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