From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/13/2026 9:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:27:41 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2/13/2026 9:14 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >>>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >>>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >>>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >>>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >>>>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >>>>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >>>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >>>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >>>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >>>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >>>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >>>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >>>>> flourishing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work   
   >>>> next century   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >>>>   >   
   >>>>   > #god   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> That's not how universal principles work.   
   >>>   
   >>> Things like:   
   >>> - Don't steal   
   >>> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   >>> - Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   >>> - Take responsibility for your actions   
   >>> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >>>   
   >> It kind of looks like two informants are not smarter than a fifth   
   >> grader. Maybe they think communism is a better system. It's starting to   
   >> look like that because they don't seem to have any cogent arguments for   
   >> a closed society. YMMV.   
   >>   
   >> Everyone that's been to school in the US and Europe learned that based   
   >> on international law and philosophical tradition, humans are considered   
   >> to have innate, inherent, and inalienable human rights.   
   >   
   > Learned.  Right that is how social structures get passed down.  And   
   > true they must be learned.   
   >   
   >> These rights are not granted by governments, but are possessed by every   
   >> individual from birth simply by virtue of being human.   
   >   
   > Unless they are not permitted by governments.   
   >   
   >> Including rights to life, liberty, and freedom, as established by the UN   
   >> Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Maybe they need to get some   
   >> smarts and read a history book.   
   >   
   > Yes, too bad the un is so toothless.   
    >   
   So, we are agreed. People have inalienable rights. Thanks.   
      
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