XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/13/2026 9:57 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   > On 2/13/26 9:14 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >>>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >>>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >>>> flourishing.   
   >>>   
   >>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not   
   >>> work next century   
   >>>   
   >>>  > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >>>  >   
   >>>  > #god   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> That's not how universal principles work.   
   >>   
   >> Things like:   
   >> - Don't steal   
   >   
   >    > property *is* theft   
   >    >   
   You have a inalienable right to self-preservation. Don't let them take   
   away your human rights, Nick!   
    >   
   >    > #god   
   >   
   >> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   >> - Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   >> - Take responsibility for your actions   
   >> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >   
      
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