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   On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 11:33:01 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
      
   >On 2/13/2026 9:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:14:08 -0500, Wilson    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >>>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >>>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >>>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >>>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >>>>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >>>>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >>>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >>>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >>>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >>>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >>>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >>>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >>>>> flourishing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work   
   >>>> next century   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >>>>   >   
   >>>>   > #god   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> That's not how universal principles work.   
   >>>   
   >>> Things like:   
   >>> - Don't steal   
   >>> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   >>> - Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   >>> - Take responsibility for your actions   
   >>> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >>   
   >> Christian principles.  Not universal.  Although it might seem like   
   >> that to a true believer.   
   >.   
   >What grade school did you graduate from? Remember the The Code of   
   >Hammurabi from fifth grade? The Code of Hammurabi is a Babylonian legal   
   >text composed during 1755–1751 BC.   
   >   
   >Its laws were often built upon legal systems and traditions untold   
   >generations earlier.   
   >   
   It is not necessary to write down and remember universal laws.  We all   
   already know what they are without christian, islamic or any other   
   system of ethics to remind us.  Hammurabi's code is remarkable because   
   it shows people at that time were capable of that much sophistication   
   and certain people valued his code and used it, while others did not.   
   But for that much to be possibe, it was necessary to be able to write   
   the code down.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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