From: punditster@gmail.com
On 2/14/2026 11:30 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 11:27:02 -0800, Dude wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/2026 9:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:27:41 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2026 9:14 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose
>>>>>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned. You have no rights. There
>>>>>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It there were natural laws that are inherent, universal, and
>>>>>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and reason rather than
granted
>>>>>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way
>>>>>>>> to not receive them. Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,
>>>>>>>> and loving spouses. The truth is you have no right to such things,
>>>>>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they
>>>>>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And
>>>>>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can
>>>>>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.
>>>>>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems
>>>>>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human
>>>>>>> flourishing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work
>>>>>> next century
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > #god
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not how universal principles work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things like:
>>>>> - Don't steal
>>>>> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people
>>>>> - Don't deliberately speak untruth
>>>>> - Take responsibility for your actions
>>>>> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have
>>>>>
>>>> It kind of looks like two informants are not smarter than a fifth
>>>> grader. Maybe they think communism is a better system. It's starting to
>>>> look like that because they don't seem to have any cogent arguments for
>>>> a closed society. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone that's been to school in the US and Europe learned that based
>>>> on international law and philosophical tradition, humans are considered
>>>> to have innate, inherent, and inalienable human rights.
>>>
>>> Learned. Right that is how social structures get passed down. And
>>> true they must be learned.
>>>
>>>> These rights are not granted by governments, but are possessed by every
>>>> individual from birth simply by virtue of being human.
>>>
>>> Unless they are not permitted by governments.
>>>
>>>> Including rights to life, liberty, and freedom, as established by the UN
>>>> Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Maybe they need to get some
>>>> smarts and read a history book.
>>>
>>> Yes, too bad the un is so toothless.
>>>
>> So, we are agreed. People have inalienable rights. Thanks.
>
> Nope. But you agree with yourself.
>
"We hold these truths to be self-evident."
The phrase is in the second paragraph of the US Declaration of
Independence, adopted by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776.
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