From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/14/2026 1:16 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 13:14:07 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>> It kind of looks like two informants are not smarter than a fifth   
   >>>>>> grader. Maybe they think communism is a better system. It's starting to   
   >>>>>> look like that because they don't seem to have any cogent arguments for   
   >>>>>> a closed society. YMMV.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Everyone that's been to school in the US and Europe learned that based   
   >>>>>> on international law and philosophical tradition, humans are considered   
   >>>>>> to have innate, inherent, and inalienable human rights.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Learned.  Right that is how social structures get passed down.  And   
   >>>>> true they must be learned.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> These rights are not granted by governments, but are possessed by every   
   >>>>>> individual from birth simply by virtue of being human.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Unless they are not permitted by governments.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Including rights to life, liberty, and freedom, as established by the UN   
   >>>>>> Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Maybe they need to get some   
   >>>>>> smarts and read a history book.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes, too bad the un is so toothless.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> So, we are agreed. People have inalienable rights. Thanks.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nope.  But you agree with yourself.   
   >>>   
   >> "We hold these truths to be self-evident."   
   >   
   > In their opinion. In which case it would not be necessary to enumerate them.   
   >   
   You skipped US government class, right?   
      
   "We hold these truths to be self-evident" from the Declaration of   
   Independence means that certain principles—specifically that all people   
   are created equal and endowed with unalienable rights to life, liberty,   
   and the pursuit of happiness.   
      
   It asserts these fundamental rights are inherent, not granted by   
   government. That's obviously true, undeniable, and require no further   
   proof or argument.   
      
   If you want to argue the opposite, that humans are bound by karma and we   
   are not free, you need to explain why you are so intrigued with the   
   notions of enslavement.   
      
   Is that argument a "trait" that's carried over from your ancestors?   
      
   Wheres Nick?   
    >   
   >> The phrase is in the second paragraph of the US Declaration of   
   >> Independence, adopted by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776.   
      
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