From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 18:07:04 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
      
   >On 2/14/2026 1:16 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 13:14:07 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> It kind of looks like two informants are not smarter than a fifth   
   >>>>>>> grader. Maybe they think communism is a better system. It's starting to   
   >>>>>>> look like that because they don't seem to have any cogent arguments for   
   >>>>>>> a closed society. YMMV.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Everyone that's been to school in the US and Europe learned that based   
   >>>>>>> on international law and philosophical tradition, humans are considered   
   >>>>>>> to have innate, inherent, and inalienable human rights.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Learned.  Right that is how social structures get passed down.  And   
   >>>>>> true they must be learned.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> These rights are not granted by governments, but are possessed by every   
   >>>>>>> individual from birth simply by virtue of being human.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Unless they are not permitted by governments.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Including rights to life, liberty, and freedom, as established by the   
   UN   
   >>>>>>> Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Maybe they need to get some   
   >>>>>>> smarts and read a history book.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yes, too bad the un is so toothless.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> So, we are agreed. People have inalienable rights. Thanks.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nope.  But you agree with yourself.   
   >>>>   
   >>> "We hold these truths to be self-evident."   
   >>   
   >> In their opinion. In which case it would not be necessary to enumerate them.   
   >>   
   >You skipped US government class, right?   
   >   
   >"We hold these truths to be self-evident" from the Declaration of   
   >Independence means that certain principles—specifically that all people   
   >are created equal and endowed with unalienable rights to life, liberty,   
   >and the pursuit of happiness.   
      
   I claim humans have no such rights, unless granted by some govt.   
      
   >It asserts these fundamental rights are inherent, not granted by   
   >government. That's obviously true, undeniable, and require no further   
   >proof or argument.   
      
   To you it is.  To some others not.   
      
   >If you want to argue the opposite, that humans are bound by karma and we   
   >are not free, you need to explain why you are so intrigued with the   
   >notions of enslavement.   
      
   I'm not particularly.  What I object to is wage slavery.  Equally as   
   much as the other kind, there being no way to prefer either.   
      
   >Is that argument a "trait" that's carried over from your ancestors?   
   >   
   >Wheres Nick?   
   > >   
   >>> The phrase is in the second paragraph of the US Declaration of   
   >>> Independence, adopted by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776.   
      
   So certain men agreed to that.  It doesn't make it so.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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