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   On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 05:13:24 +0000, Creon  wrote:   
      
   >At Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:50:06 -0500, Noah Sombrero  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:14:08 -0500, Wilson    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:   
   >> >> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> >>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose   
   >> >>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> But as far as the universe is concerned.  You have no rights.  There   
   >> >>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> It there were  natural laws that are inherent, universal, and   
   >> >>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and  reason rather than granted   
   >> >>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way   
   >> >>>> to not receive them.  Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,   
   >> >>>> and loving spouses.  The truth is you have no right to such things,   
   >> >>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they   
   >> >>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And   
   >> >>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can   
   >> >>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.   
   >> >>>   
   >> >>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.   
   >> >>>   
   >> >>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.   
   >> >>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems   
   >> >>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human   
   >> >>> flourishing.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work   
   >> >> next century   
   >> >>   
   >> >>  > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds   
   >> >>  >   
   >> >>  > #god   
   >> >>   
   >> >   
   >> >That's not how universal principles work.   
   >> >   
   >> >Things like:   
   >> >- Don't steal   
   >> >- Don't initiate harm to or murder other people   
   >> >- Don't deliberately speak untruth   
   >> >- Take responsibility for your actions   
   >> >- Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have   
   >>   
   >> Christian principles.  Not universal.  Although it might seem like   
   >> that to a true believer.   
   >   
   >How do you feel about the "perennial philosophy" school of thought?   
   >   
   >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy   
      
      
   I remember from my communal days, sitting in a room listening to some   
   guy talking about, jesus says this, buddha says that, rumi says   
   thisnthat.  And so putting together what feels like to him a coherent   
   something which is none of those.  I don't think that works.   
      
   In tone and intent, it seems to me that buddhism has nothing like the   
   10 commandments.  Although buddha does sorta say that you should avoid   
   killing things because it interferes with spiritual development.  Adam   
   and eve were thrown out of eden because they disobeyed and learned the   
   difference between good and evil.  Buddha says forget about all that   
   and seek enlightenment one way or the other.   
      
   Sure you can say that, in effect, they hold similar ideas, if you want   
   to forget about that tone and intent stuff.   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain   
   Don't get political with me young man   
   or I'll tie you to a railroad track and   
   <<>> to <<>>   
   Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?   
   dares: Ned   
   does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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