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Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 13:49:22 -0500, Wilson
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/16/2026 1:39 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 13:16:48 -0500, Wilson
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2026 11:12 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:42:33 -0500, Wilson
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/2026 10:30 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 09:48:30 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2026 4:29 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2026 at 4:25:11?PM EST, "Noah Sombrero"
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 20:22:59 -0000 (UTC), Tara
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2026 at 2:37:22?PM EST, "Noah Sombrero"
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 19:05:01 -0000 (UTC), Tara
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fail to understand the denial that when you bring men from a
deeply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patriarchal culture where there are high levels of (accepted)
gender-based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence against women and dump them in a society where women
and girls are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?available? that this could and will happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially india. Common but not accepted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women_in_India
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You might remember that in canada within the past 10 years or so
there
>>>>>>>>>>>> was one case of an honor killing of a wife and daughters of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> pakistani immigrant family. The father in that case will likely
not
>>>>>>>>>>>> ever get out of canadian prison. He thought they were straying
from
>>>>>>>>>>>> sharia law and so bringing dishonor on him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that there has been one such case has not meant that
there
>>>>>>>>>>>> have been multitudes in the minds of canadians. It did encourage
an
>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness that people from other cultures need to become aware of
>>>>>>>>>>>> canadian values when they come here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't had to deal with anything like the scope they've had
happen in the
>>>>>>>>>>> UK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Taking julian's article at face value then:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The indians and pakistanis that come here must be quite similar to
>>>>>>>>>> those that go to uk. It cannot be simply a matter of culture or
race
>>>>>>>>>> or of hormonal problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It could be the attitude of the people and the police that make a
>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. Pervasive criminality is a symptom of a sick society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If society turns a blind eye to wrongdoing and does not discourage it,
>>>>>>>> it is effectively encouraged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the opposite of the above. I don't see any blind eyes up
>>>>>>> here. I see absence of accused indian/pakistani inherent behaviors
>>>>>>> that manifest elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again you pretend to not understand what I am saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canada does not have the problems of England because they have not
>>>>>> turned a blind eye to them and enforces the law. Pervasive criminality
>>>>>> grows out of not doing that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it has nothing to do with being tolerant as tara says?
>>>>
>>>> Tara's said nothing in this thread regarding Canadian tolerance.
>>>
>>> Actually she did. It is there if you want to read it.
I said that Canadians tolerate (and often celebrate) the differences in an
immigrant’s culture from ours, we don’t tolerate the imposition of and the
breaking of our laws.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You say criminality flourishes when laws are not enforced. I say
>>>>> criminality is a response to how people are treated.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been no flood of indian/pakistani criminal behavior to
>>>>> respond to. Although it is very likely that canadian prisons have
>>>>> populations of such people proportional to their presence in society.
>>>>
>>>> The apparent lack of widespread criminal behavior by migrants in Canada
>>>> could be because they are treated well there. One way to test this is to
>>>> determine if they've been treated worse in England.
>>>>
>>>> If England hasn't treated them worse than Canada we have to look for
>>>> other reasons.
>>>
>>> That would be true, if england has treated them as well. One place to
>>> start looking would be the general attitude towards immigrants. Does
>>> julian's article give you some indication of that?
>>>
>>> What we know is that since it seems unlikely that uk and canada get
>>> different indian and pakistani immigrant populations, it can't be a
>>> matter of race, culture or hormones.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me England has gone out of its way to treat migrants lightly.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing that gets reported from time to time is that blacks are
>>>>> highly overpresent in us prisons proportional to their presence in
>>>>> society. I would observe that fact does not seem to be dampening
>>>>> black criminality, otherwise black populations would be decreasing in
>>>>> prison.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no doubt you want to put the blame for that on the inherent
>>>>> nature of black people. Right?
>>>>
>>>> "Right?"
>>>>
>>>> I've never "put the blame" on the inherent nature of any group. In fact
>>>> over the years I have repeatedly said that differences in group behavior
>>>> are mostly due to cultural influences which vary around the world.
>>>
>>> We are talking about prison populations in the us.
>>>
>>>> So you're wildly misrepresenting what I believe.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing that a person might notice about prison, is that criminals
>>>>> plan to get away with it. So the prospect of prison is not going to
>>>>> be a big deterrent.
>>>>
>>>> What people think about their chances of getting away with their crime
>>>> is not the only reason for holding criminals accountable.
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with holding people accountable. It has to do
>>> with why incarceration does not prevent crime.
>>>
>>>> If nothing
>>>> else, prison removes the offender from society so they cannot continue
>>>> harming the general public for a time.
>>>
>>> As if that should be the goal in dealing with those people. Why put
>>> criminals in a situation where they can learn to be more effective
>>> criminals?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I fundamentally disagree with many things you believe even if it seems
>>>>> to you that you do not believe such things. That does not mean I use
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