From: punditster@gmail.com
On 2/16/2026 7:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 05:13:24 +0000, Creon wrote:
>
>> At Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:50:06 -0500, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:14:08 -0500, Wilson
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose
>>>>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned. You have no rights. There
>>>>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It there were natural laws that are inherent, universal, and
>>>>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and reason rather than granted
>>>>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no way
>>>>>>> to not receive them. Nobody would die, everybody would have liberty,
>>>>>>> and loving spouses. The truth is you have no right to such things,
>>>>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable, they
>>>>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans. And
>>>>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they can
>>>>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.
>>>>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems
>>>>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human
>>>>>> flourishing.
>>>>>
>>>>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not work
>>>>> next century
>>>>>
>>>>> > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds
>>>>> >
>>>>> > #god
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's not how universal principles work.
>>>>
>>>> Things like:
>>>> - Don't steal
>>>> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people
>>>> - Don't deliberately speak untruth
>>>> - Take responsibility for your actions
>>>> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have
>>>
>>> Christian principles. Not universal. Although it might seem like
>>> that to a true believer.
>>
>> How do you feel about the "perennial philosophy" school of thought?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy
>
>
> I remember from my communal days, sitting in a room listening to some
> guy talking about, jesus says this, buddha says that, rumi says
> thisnthat. And so putting together what feels like to him a coherent
> something which is none of those. I don't think that works.
>
Not sure you've thought this through.
They were probably talking about Aldous Huxley's The Perennial
Philosophy, where he goes to great lengths to demonstrate the common
themes which are present in religions across the planet, and tie them
together into what he terms the perennial philosophy.
We read that in philosophy class in college. It's required reading.
>
> In tone and intent, it seems to me that buddhism has nothing like the
> 10 commandments. Although buddha does sorta say that you should avoid
> killing things because it interferes with spiritual development. Adam
> and eve were thrown out of eden because they disobeyed and learned the
> difference between good and evil. Buddha says forget about all that
> and seek enlightenment one way or the other.
>
> Sure you can say that, in effect, they hold similar ideas, if you want
> to forget about that tone and intent stuff.
>
In some Buddhist sects, the factor of intent is very important. For
example, you are a Buddhist walking in the woods and you accidentally
step on a beetle and crush it. What was your intent?
According to Buddha, it's extreme to go about sweeping the ground before
you, in case you might encounter an ant, walking to the store.
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