From: punditster@gmail.com
On 2/18/2026 5:35 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 15:25:53 -0800, Dude wrote:
>
>> On 2/16/2026 2:27 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 13:56:08 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2026 7:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 05:13:24 +0000, Creon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:50:06 -0500, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 12:14:08 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2026 12:53 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/26 9:15 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2026 9:29 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What I mean is that governments can grant that they will not impose
>>>>>>>>>>> certain situations on you, which they still might.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But as far as the universe is concerned. You have no rights.
There
>>>>>>>>>>> is no natural law to base social structures on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It there were natural laws that are inherent, universal, and
>>>>>>>>>>> inalienable, derived from human nature and reason rather than
granted
>>>>>>>>>>> by governments, to be inalienable natural laws, there would be no
way
>>>>>>>>>>> to not receive them. Nobody would die, everybody would have
liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>> and loving spouses. The truth is you have no right to such
things,
>>>>>>>>>>> and far too many around the world don't have them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To be natural laws that are inherent, universal, and inalienable,
they
>>>>>>>>>>> would have to apply to everybody in the world, not only americans.
And
>>>>>>>>>>> when suffering people come to america seeking a place where they
can
>>>>>>>>>>> have such things, we could not send them back where they came from.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is a deliberate misstatement of what natural law is all about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which is: There are certain principles that work better than others.
>>>>>>>>>> When human law and society aligns with those principles, the systems
>>>>>>>>>> created within that structure perform better, allowing greater human
>>>>>>>>>> flourishing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what worked last century, may not work this century, and will not
work
>>>>>>>>> next century
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > the "law" can change when as technology unfolds
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > #god
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not how universal principles work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things like:
>>>>>>>> - Don't steal
>>>>>>>> - Don't initiate harm to or murder other people
>>>>>>>> - Don't deliberately speak untruth
>>>>>>>> - Take responsibility for your actions
>>>>>>>> - Don't envy or promote resentment for what others have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian principles. Not universal. Although it might seem like
>>>>>>> that to a true believer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you feel about the "perennial philosophy" school of thought?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember from my communal days, sitting in a room listening to some
>>>>> guy talking about, jesus says this, buddha says that, rumi says
>>>>> thisnthat. And so putting together what feels like to him a coherent
>>>>> something which is none of those. I don't think that works.
>>>>>
>>>> Not sure you've thought this through.
>>>>
>>>> They were probably talking about Aldous Huxley's The Perennial
>>>> Philosophy, where he goes to great lengths to demonstrate the common
>>>> themes which are present in religions across the planet, and tie them
>>>> together into what he terms the perennial philosophy.
>>>
>>> Sure aldous you can do that, but when you jumble it all together do
>>> you have more than a jumble.
>>>
>> Compared to reading the originals?
>>>> Intent:
>>>
>>> Do you refrain from killing because there is something wrong with
>>> doing that or because killing things interferes with your spiritual
>>> progression?
>>>
>> Some people refrain from killing but others do not. There are hunters
>> and there are gatherers. Everything you do or act on can effect your
>> spiritual progress, o not.
>
> So Buddha was wrong. Could be, but I don't think you would know
> either way.
>
>> What's needed is a middle way, not too extreme, but practical.
>>>
>>
>>> After learning the difference between good and evil, as he should not
>>> have, is mankind now doomed to be ever obsessed with doing or not
>>> doing evil? Or was there something more important for him to do here?
>>>
>> The most important thing for mankind to have learnt was to realize the
>> fallacy of dualism - the belief in dual opposing forces.
>
> I invite you to fight that out with yhwh.
>
>>
>> In reality, there is just one reality - the Singular.
>>
>> Indian philosophers define non-dualism as the reality that only one
>> undivided, absolute consciousness exists. All ideas of separation and
>> duality are illusions created by the mind.
>>>> One eternal message of all religions is said to be: there is
>>> something wrong with life and we know what to do about it.
>>>
>> According to the Buddha, the first historical yogi in India, we are all
>> bound and destined to suffer. At first this sound pessimistic, until you
>> think it through, or live a little while and see fr yourself.
>
> It was absolutely more physically true in his time.
>
I's not just the physical suffering in human life, but also the mental
suffering, like nihilistic thoughts and depression with suicidal notions
- the root cause of which is ignorance, according to Buddha.
"The cause of suffering is ignorance." - Buddha
> >> So, if we are bound, by what means can we free ourselves?
>>>
>>> Is that so?, the monk says to the mother giving away her baby. Is
>>> that so?
>>>
>> The phrase highlights accepting the reality of the present moment
>> without judging it or fighting against it. Be here now!
>
> Is that so?
>
Be here now.
Don't be distracted by what others say about you, true or false. Just
take it as it comes and be aware of the present moment. Don't be
distracted from the practice. See the job. Do the job.
We studied this at the Suzuki SFZC. Master Hakuin is noted for bringing
rigorous, structured meditation training to the Rinzai tradition.
>
>>>>
>>>> We read that in philosophy class in college. It's required reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> In tone and intent, it seems to me that buddhism has nothing like the
>>>>> 10 commandments. Although buddha does sorta say that you should avoid
>>>>> killing things because it interferes with spiritual development. Adam
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