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On 2/19/2026 10:00 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 09:43:43 -0800, Dude wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2026 5:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 15:58:35 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2026 11:40 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/16/2026 1:53 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 13:28:36 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/16/2026 12:43 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 12:39:32 -0500, Noah Sombrero
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 11:55:59 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2026 11:21 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:38:22 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2026 10:22 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 10:05:27 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2026 11:46 PM, Creon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At Wed, 11 Feb 2026 15:26:37 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2026 12:13 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:43:07 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2026 11:30 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 22:59:09 -0500, Noah Sombrero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 16:12:36 -0800, Dude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2026 2:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:49:10 -0800, Dude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nihilism is the rejection of all religious and moral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> principles, in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief that life is meaningless. YMMV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. Moral principles need not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningful. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to have them and understand their worth to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We studied this at the community college: Political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science (a required
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natural law proponents, from Aristotle to John Locke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have argued that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws enacted by governments are only valid if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conform to a higher,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural, and moral law. It's the basis for inalienable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and property.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You snuck that last one in yourself, didn't you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that statement is far too idealistic. Social
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structures need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws that detail what happens if I kill your dog or you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kill my cat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphorically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Happenings that are too trivial to require a natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law, but for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which there must be consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because social structures can arbitrarily be anything at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. And,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when in rome...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So social structures cannot be the basis for natural law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universal principle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have it backwards. Natural law is the basis for useful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> social structures that actually benefit people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Social structure cannot be the basis because they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> random. While
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural law would, of course be unchangeable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is once again the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was confused by that as well -- Noah seems to have not read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your paragraph accurately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding objective ethics, I submit that study of Game Theory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (part of Information Theory, part of Mathematics) can be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop a system of ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Morals are the ethics of conscience." -Anon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as we have "God-given" Rights to Life, Liberty, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pursuit of Happiness; we also have "God-given" reason,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conscience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a sense of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you're being too kind, Noah's apparent lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost certainly a debate tactic designed to wear out the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other side by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly misstating what people are saying and pretending to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So a person might think who finds what they want to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confronted with arguments they can't answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet I do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not without attempting to discredit my motives and my sincerity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Log, eye.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, I think you are quite aware of it when you post something that is
>>>>>>>>> simply not true. Gobbets was wrong. Repeating a lie does not
>>>>>>>>> transform it unless the truth is also silenced.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What love said about the effect on you of your commitment to your
>>>>>>>>> ideology.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He was always more articulate than me, and did not agree with me on
>>>>>>>>> much, but on that, yes, that comment is important to understanding
>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My spell check strikes again.
>>>>>>>> Gobbets->Goebbels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The connection is made: I think things, just like Goebbels!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you repeat lies. Perhaps you were thinking that would
>>>>>> accomplish something. I do not grant that you are too dumb to know
>>>>>> what you are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because you think a thing does not mean someone who thinks
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