From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 2/22/2026 10:13 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:35:28 -0000 (UTC), Tara    
   > wrote:   
   >> On Feb 22, 2026 at 9:27:27?AM EST, "Tara"  wrote:   
   >>> On Feb 22, 2026 at 9:11:09?AM EST, "Noah Sombrero"  wrote:   
   >>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 09:00:37 +0000, Julian    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>> On 22/02/2026 05:41, dart200 wrote:   
   >>>>>> what would you consider pristine nature?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Red in tooth and claw.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yeh, and once people have access to it, it no longer is pristine.   
   >>>   
   >>> Most people - not all.   
   >>   
   >> So, best to protect Nature from 'most' people.   
   >   
   > It's like those ads you see for hideaway, unknown tourist   
   > destinations.  After those ads, they aren't anymore, right?   
   >   
   > For instance, there are creatures who do not tolerate the presence of   
   > humans.  I remember a prof telling us about a population of big horn   
   > sheep in the sonoran desert.  If there are big horn sheep in an area,   
   > and you build a road through that area, those sheep will leave.  Not   
   > to mention whatever disturbance a road makes.  The presence of humans   
   > alone changes the area.  How to protect it?  Prevent people from going   
   > there.   
   When I was in Glacier National Park 30 years ago walking a trail near   
   Logan Pass, a Bighorn allowed me to walk right up to it. I stopped when   
   I was about 20 feet away, but it didn't seem at all concerned as I took   
   a great picture (pre-digital era) of it.   
      
   This isn't unusual there. Here's a photo of two rams having a status   
   debate in a parking lot full of spectators:   
   https://unofficialnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Screen   
   hot-2024-07-18-at-14.55.40.jpg   
      
   Maybe the sheep in Glacier have a completely different attitude from the   
   ones in the Sonora desert. Or maybe that story is just complete bunk and   
   yet another example that so much of what progs believe is simply not true.   
      
   Now if you'd have used the mountain lion (aka cougar, puma, or panther)   
   as an example you'd have made a decent point. They once lived throughout   
   the continental US but were extremely shy and didn't like to live around   
   people.   
      
   Also the Jaguar which once had a range that extended through the   
   Appalachian mountains in the east all the way up to the great lakes, and   
   were actually seen there only 300 years ago. They were less shy and   
   didn't mind raiding farms for pigs, which caused people to hunt them to   
   near extinction everywhere except the Amazon. We stopped killing them as   
   much and now although rarely seen they've moved back into central   
   America, Mexico and even southern Texas and Arizona.   
      
   https://youtu.be/QqX2GFw7EdE   
      
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