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On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 12:28:38 -0800, Dude wrote:
>On 3/6/2026 11:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:37:51 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/6/2026 10:13 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 09:48:49 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/4/2026 5:16 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 14:51:13 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/4/2026 11:20 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 18:42:31 -0000 (UTC), Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 18:17:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2026 1:01 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 09:39:22 -0800, Dude
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not immoral to gather upstairs around a big table and
have a party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with wine, women and song and with a crowd of wealthy people!
YMMV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No needle's eye for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor for Jesus then, apparently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When the wine ran out at a wedding, He turned water into wine.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like he liked to party.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And he wandered into the wilderness talking to people...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wandering in the wilderness shouldn’t prevent you from partying when
you
>>>>>>>>> come back to town. Or, whenever.
>>>>>>>>> Lots of different ways and places to talk to people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends on what you say. The last supper was not actually a party.
>>>>>>>> Jesus knew the romans were about to come and drag him away, and he
>>>>>>>> said "one of you has betrayed me". The whole thing was rather solemn
>>>>>>>> I suspect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For Roman Catholics, the Last Supper is a celebration event, for the
>>>>>>> forgiveness of sins, where Jesus instituted the New Covenant and Holy
>>>>>>> Communion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously, they weren't hungry, since they ordered out for only bread
>>>>>>> and wine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He did attend a wedding party when young. That does not make him a
>>>>>>>> big partier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently it was a wedding party.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The discussion was about how difficult it is for a
>>>>>>>> wealthy person to be spiritual or gain heavenly reward. Now we are in
>>>>>>>> the process of trying to discredit that because he was a partier. If
>>>>>>>> that won't do, there probably is some other way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The conversation is about theft vs enslaving others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was earlier today, this is now.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So, Jesus went to a wedding party and then attended a supper party, but
>>>>> he said nothing about slavery?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact was that slavery was culturally accepted, expected
>>>>> throughout > the region. I don't think jesus said anything about it.>
>>>>>> Jesus said the wealthy person will have a problem passing getting his
>>>>>> camel through the eye of a needle, but he did not say that was because
>>>>>> he owned slaves.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's one of the problems novices have reading the Roman Catholic
>>>>> Bible. Sometimes it just doesn't make any sense when you take it
>>>>> literally or out of context.
>>>>>>> Slavery is bad is a fairly new idea.
>>>>> The historical Buddha was opposed to slavery back in 563 BC. Apparently,
>>>>> the he hailed from a Republican tradition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact we still struggle with it, but now we call it wage slavery
>>>>> and > seem to think that makes it all better. Jesus didn't say anything
>>>>>> about that either.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That you know about, since you obviously have not read the Gospel
>>>>> According to Mary Magdalen. So, how would you know?
>>>>
>>>> Not cannon. Although I have read some apocrypha too. I especially
>>>> liked Timothy.
>>>>
>>>> They asked him, what will the end be?
>>>> He answered, Foolish men, who ask about the end yet know nothing of
>>>> the beginning. As the beginning was, so shall the end be.
>>>>
>>>> Return to hunter gatherer? The sci fi writers have missed a bet not
>>>> picking up on that.
>>>>
>>>>> We studied this in Bible School: Matthew 22:21, Mark 12:17, and Luke
20:25:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the
>>>>> things that are God's." - Jesus of Nazareth
>>>>>
>>>>> The Context: Jesus was asked if paying taxes to Caesar was lawful. If he
>>>>> said "yes," he would be unpopular with the Jews; if "no," he could be
>>>>> charged with treason against Rome.
>>>>
>>>> How r's so hate that rendering. It is almost enough to make them give
>>>> up their oh so beneficial tie to christianity.
>>>>
>>> Most Christians are not wealthy people. So, what's your point?
>>
>> Unless they are politicians.
> >
>So, it would be almost impossible for a politician to get into heaven.
>But, only Republican politicians are wealthy? It sounds like something
>you made up based on a bias.
Of course not. But that "Render unto caesar" thing rattles rightie
hatred of all taxes. Not that wealthy dems like taxes either, but
they aren't palled up with rightie christianity.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
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Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away
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