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On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 12:20:07 -0800, Dude wrote:
>On 3/6/2026 10:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 09:55:34 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2026 2:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 12:24:55 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/4/2026 6:55 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 18:23:55 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 8:47 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 19:22:38 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 3:39 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 15:14:29 -0800, Dude
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 1:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:55:51 -0800, Dude
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 10:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that ethical principles are real and exist.
And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they
are given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction
with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is
recognizable by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human /
universe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems of control are built on a foundation that
says the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This
removes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices
unavailable and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great lets stop using states to enforce property
rights! ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States are property. Have you heard of states rights?
How about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dude: the fool who speaks because he must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because shut up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view view, individual property ownership is an
absolute,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that
you own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body, mind, and labor, which extends to the fruits of
their labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because
u did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> labor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there
besides simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's
good for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and
preventing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and
belongings. The right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > hard disagree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > #god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without benefit, why would I labor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you are hungry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you simply must find something to do with yourself
as every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retiree learns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly like the street beggars in india or central
america. Because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those are all benefits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your question above is really nonsense, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are human rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell
it to me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking it against my will is theft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would
disagree with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I'm not at all convinced these two completed 3rd grade.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would post Marxist leftist propaganda to a chat
room of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> four informants, two of whom reside in the US, under a Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just can't make this stuff up!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's get to the bottom of this who wazzit that posted marx?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at Mao's Little Red Book, Page 1:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eliminate private property for the transition to a socialist
system of
>>>>>>>>>>> ownership, eliminate private property. Defeat the capitalist
classes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, let's look at Marx's Das Kapital:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The right to private property is capitalist exploitation, allowing
the
>>>>>>>>>>> owners of capital to maintain their power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised you have both of those at hand. I do not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for me, private property is dart's big issue. I'm not sure
having
>>>>>>>>>> it or not having it solves much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently, Nick wants some land to live on so he can be secure, but
he
>>>>>>>>> go radicalized on social media - it looks like he's gone nuts. He is
all
>>>>>>>>> over the internet, and once caused a textual riot over on
alt.politics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I simply think imagining god given rights is brain foggery.
>>>>>>>>>>
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