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On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 12:03:52 -0800, Dude wrote:
>On 3/6/2026 10:16 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 09:02:44 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2026 2:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2026 13:32:41 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/4/2026 6:53 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 18:17:17 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 8:45 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 18:56:18 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 11:45 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 13:38:29 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 1:02 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:01:47 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 11:48 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 11:34:11 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2026 1:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/26 8:24 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2026 4:02 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/26 9:14 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2026 4:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/26 3:18 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that ethical principles are real and exist.
And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when discovered and adopted by the human person, they
are given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning through his relationship to and interaction with
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe that surrounds him. Right-action is
recognizable by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As such, all ethical systems ultimately are human /
universe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centered, not state / system centered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems of control are built on a foundation that says
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governing power decides what is right and good. This
removes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agency from the person, making certain choices
unavailable and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore outside the field of voluntary ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great lets stop using states to enforce property rights! ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States are property. Have you heard of states rights? How
about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word "union"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dude: the fool who speaks because he must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because shut up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view view, individual property ownership is an
absolute,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundational human right. Self-ownership is the idea that
you own your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body, mind, and labor, which extends to the fruits of their
labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u don't get automatic claim to land/resources just because u
did labor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. i don't see the necessary implication there besides
simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greed and narcissism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u can take ur ideal to the grave dude, that's all it's good
for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are essential for peace, prosperity, and
preventing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coercion, so you are secure in your person and belongings.
The right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to property is indispensable to a free society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > hard disagree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > #god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without benefit, why would I labor?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you are hungry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because your wife and kids depend on you, and you love them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you simply must find something to do with yourself as
every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retiree learns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly like the street beggars in india or central america.
Because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they wish to walk the earth and not lie beneath it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those are all benefits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So your question above is really nonsense, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Property rights are human rights.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How did that sneak in here? We were talking about why you would
>>>>>>>>>> labor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mandated labor without compensation is slavery.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Minimal compensation is still wage slavery, and in many ways worse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I purchase property from someone who freely agreed to sell it
to me,
>>>>>>>>>>> taking it against my will is theft.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> According to the social structure currently in force. It is not an
a
>>>>>>>>>> priori absolute eternal universal truth. In fact, it might even be
>>>>>>>>>> that the universe cares nothing for what you imagine your rights
are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We studied this in junior college: Philosophy 101: Nihilism
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For nihilists, universal or objective truth does not exist. Nihilism
>>>>>>>>> rejects the existence of inherent meaning, objective morality, and
>>>>>>>>> absolute truth, viewing all values as human inventions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bang on the door and howl your outrage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Nietzsche: "There is no cosmic, objective, or higher truth guiding
the
>>>>>>>>> universe and all "truths" are merely fabricated perspectives
disguised
>>>>>>>>> as facts."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The door does not open.>
>>>>>>>>> "Knock and it will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7-8
>>>>>>>>>>>> These are all simple facts that only an educated idiot would
>>>>>>>>> disagree with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your ignorant opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Knock and it shall be opened... The universe does not even know you
>>>>>>>> are here. Howl your outrage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A nihilist argues that the search for meaning is futile because there
is
>>>>>>> no fundamental reason for human existence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lucky for me I am not a nihilist.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are no chance events - you had a plan: dunk on everything. There
>>>>> is hope for this group. Good work!
>>>>
>>>> On all far right nonsense.
>>>>
>>> There are no far right informants on this list, if there ever was.
>>
>> So crazy you are. You yourself are one, no matter how hard you deny
>> it.
>>
>There are only two informants arguing for government ownership of human
>rights and property. Guess who?
That would be the contortion of leftie views by the two resident
righties.
>
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