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   From: sgillettnospam@diespammergte.net   
      
   "jt august" wrote ...   
      
   > In article <298Ti.2916$_64.2467@trnddc02>,   
   > "Sam Gillett"  wrote:   
   >   
   >> First you bring the PET in from outer space.  Now here comes IBM from the   
   >> same place.  Keep in mind that the personal computer market was much more   
   >> fragmented in the 1980's than it is today.  Two major segments were the   
   >> home   
   >> computer segment, which was dominated by Commodore and Atari, and the   
   >> business computer segment where there were several CP/M machines which   
   >> were   
   >> quickly displaced by the IBM PC/XT and the various clones.  And then there   
   >> was Apple whic sort of stradled the line between the home and small   
   >> business   
   >> market.   
   >>   
   >> IBM had very little to do with the rise and fall of either Commodore or   
   >> Atari.   
   >   
   > I was incorporating responses to earlier elements of the thread with the   
   > IBM related commentary.  And the PET was heavily discussed in this   
   > thread.  If your news-reader supports back-threading, chase back up the   
   > thread and you will see earlier posts about these, to which my reply was   
   > intended.   
      
   Sorry, it was someone else who brought the PET in.  However, yours was the   
   first reference to IBM that I found.   
      
   > Someone had posted that the PET was selling strong up to the advent of   
   > the C=64.  I did a little online research and found what I thought to be   
   > accurate was correct, that the PET had fallen off dramatically before   
   > the C=64 became a significant player.   
      
   The VIC-20 came between the PET and the C64.  In the U.S. PET sales were down   
   when the C64 was introduced.  However, as others have stated, PET sales were   
   still going strong in Europe right up until the C64 came to market.   
      
   > Elsewhere, someone offered up that the IBM was or was not a player in   
   > this time frame (I now cannot remember which), and I was trying to lay   
   > some specific time frame elements to the IBM for the sake of time   
   > perspective.   
      
   In the early 1980's the home computer market and the business computer market   
   were effectively two seperate markets.  In the early 80's IBM had very little   
   effect on the fortunes of either Atari or Commodore.   
      
   > And I never said IBM related directly to Commodore's or Atari's home   
   > computer successes or downfalls, although a lot of people left both of   
   > those to go Mac or PC late in the 80's.   
      
   By the late 1980's the line between the home and business market had become   
   blurred.  And, the PC clones were rapidly driving IBM from its place of   
   market leadership.  No doubt the clones did have an influence on the final   
   decline of both Atari and Commodore in the early 1990's.   
   --   
   Best regards,   
      
   Sam Gillett   
      
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