XPost: comp.sys.cbm, rec.games.video.classic   
   From: wildstar128@hotmail.com   
      
   Here is the thing, people make mistakes but it doesn't mean that we must   
   demand or continue to demand atonement UNLESS you can get every person who   
   ever was, is and ever will come to atone to every mistake they make.   
      
   It is unethical and unfair to pick one one person to atone and not others.   
   Right, the C64 was $595. Not going to argue. The price number of   
   introductory price in the first year. Amiga slipped onto the market in '85.   
   So in '86, it would be fair to say an Amiga 500 at $500 would have been   
   cool. Introduced at $595. Even an A1000 priced at this price mark would have   
   been a killer.   
      
   Basically the A1000 and A500 were comparably the same with main difference   
   being the form-factor. Since it was the A1000 that was introduced in '85, it   
   being priced at $595 then reduced to $500 in '86. The A500 being $550 would   
   have been still cool and killer in '86. Slipping to $500 at Christmas season   
   if introduced in Spring of '86. I forget exact time of year of introduction.   
      
   Jack being any different would also make Jack a different person. Being a   
   different person would have made cascading differences. Commodore not even   
   making the KIM-1 and PET. Commodore not even making it through the   
   calculator wars. Commodore never even getting business, All these factors   
   must be weighed. Atari continued on and is now legendary. People who knew   
   Atari knew of Atari for its arcades, consoles AND computers from start to   
   the Jaguar times. We knew of the ST computers as well as the 400 & 800 and   
   XL series 8-Bits. We remember the 2600 and 7800. We remember even the Lynx   
   and Jaguar. Many of us may not remember the Portfolio but I do. Well, not   
   until after the fact. We all remember this. From Nolan Bushnell to Jack   
   Tramiel.   
      
   If Atari was still alive, would we still remember Atari IN the way we do.   
   Would we STILL be supporting the classics. Look at Apple. It's classic Mac   
   scene is nothing like the Atari and Commodore. People come together to   
   celebrate these memories. Would these community exist anything like it does   
   now if Atari was leading the game console market. The community would likely   
   be more like the Nintendo community. Very little happens in the Nintendo   
   community towards its classic NES/SNES consoles. Not much. People focus   
   their energies on the new consoles. If Commodore continued on, we probably   
   wouldn't have much of a demo scene for the C64. People would have been on   
   the Amiga platform and alot of great devices may have never happened. No   
   IDE64, no 64HDD and other stuff. The very users wouldn't be inclined to   
   "make" these things. Jeri Ellsworth may not have even done the stuff she   
   done. Alot of these things may not have even occured for the C64.   
      
   I'm sure the similar people of the Atari community would not done their   
   stuff.   
      
   "Joel Koltner"  wrote in message   
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   > "Wildstar"  wrote in message   
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   >> at a price mark that was set by competition. C64 being priced at $300   
   >> instead of $600 was to compete with Atari.   
   >   
   > Mmm... surely you remember the C-64 was introduced was $595, right?  Seems   
   > like it took at least a year before the prices were dropped.   
   >   
   > I think you've made some good comments on the difference between   
   > "computers in the '80s" and "computers today."   
   >   
   >> Look at Amiga. Amiga was a great example of a kickass computer. Amiga   
   >> didn't sell as well for two factors, price and advertisement.   
   >   
   > You kind have to wonder how it was that Tramiel let the Amiga slip out of   
   > his hands, don't you?   
   >   
   > Even with much better marketing, I suspect the Amiga would have eventually   
   > fell out of favor just as the Macintosh (for a while) did -- PCs were   
   > advancing quickly enough and dropping in price (due to anyone being able   
   > to make them) that eventually neither could have competed.   
   >   
   > I agree that a $500 Amiga 500 in 1986 would have been quite the "killer"   
   > computer, though.   
   >   
   > ---Joel   
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