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   From: wildstar128@hotmail.com   
      
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   >   
   > You're so far off the path of logic, even Indiana Jones can't find   
   > you....   
   >   
   > Only a complete moron would make a statement like that, and right   
   > after Veteran's Day no less.  I suppose you would have rather seen 50   
   > or 100 thousand solders die over several more years.  The fact that it   
   > took TWO atomic bombings for Japan to surrender proves the U.S. made   
   > the right decision - both then and now.   
      
   I wasn't arguing whether or not the decision was right or wrong. The point   
   was, if you want to take ethics to the most literal sense. Then we all must   
   atone. War is war. Inflictions are made to both sides. Sure, we did what we   
   had to do. Although, the radiation will continue on long after the war. Of   
   course, I wasn't serious about us having to atone for the A-bomb. Nor shall   
   the Japanese should have to atone for war. Especially the young Japanese of   
   today. The older ones who were part of the war, they were soldiers like   
   ours. Following orders. The Japanese are aggressors in the war in making the   
   first attack. Then we have to remember the matters that lead up to it.   
      
   Even if atonement for certain things in the war shall be demanded, those   
   were of issues of highly unethical attacks that harmed alot of innocent   
   lives.   
      
   There was issues of people dieing or getting wounded. Does this previous   
   statement a condition that Jack Tramiel put his employees? Did he put his   
   employees in sweat shops? Did he kill or injured any of his employees? Did   
   he tell them that they can't go home? So what if people under crunch puts   
   extra hours in. They got a bigger paycheck in the end. There is no law that   
   says an employee can't work over 12 hours except in very specific jobs.   
      
   > As for Jack Tramiel, what difference does it make whether or not I   
   > personally know him, or ever worked for him?  It doesn't change the   
   > fact that it's common knowledge that he treated a LOT of people like   
   > shit during his reign at Atari. History has spoken. Deal with it.   
      
   Are you a vulcan?   :)   
      
   Common knowledge or common interpretation. History is only the   
   interpretation of the past. Not necassarily the past. In what regard did   
   Jack Tramiel do to his employees. Be very specific. How did he treat them   
   like shit? Be specific. Bottom line: Alot of jobs to this day, (In the US)   
   has tough bosses that is a hard driver. They want employees to work hard. If   
   those that quit thought it was too hard then tough shit. Lets not forget   
   that before Jack Tramiel, Atari's work environment was very very layed back.   
   Sure for some, use to a very easy, layed back work environment shift to a   
   hard driving work environment would have thought Jack was an asshole but   
   when they find out later in their lives that things are not so easy layed   
   back, they learn that Jack wasn't any different then many other bosses.   
      
   Atari had a work environment that was almost not even a work environment.   
   Work Culture shock. Come on.   
      
   Jack was somewhat of a hard-driver for his day in the computer industry. It   
   would be nothing like some of the other industries where you make even the   
   slightest error, you're fired. Of course, there are also incredibly good   
   reasons to not make ANY errors, there.   
      
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