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|    M`I,5.Persecut ion ` M I5 ar e Af raid t    |
|    31 Dec 07 08:51:07    |
      XPost: alt.recovery.na, co.politics, rec.audio.car       XPost: rec.pets.dogs.behavior              MI5 are Afraid to Admit They're Behind the. Persecution              MI5 have issued. a formal denial of any involvement in my life to the       Security Service Tribunal, as you might. expect them to; but, more       importantly, the persecutors have never denied. that theyre from the       Security Service, despite several years of. accusations from my corner on       usenet. and in faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security Service       Tribunal. found "no determination in your favour". I am however a little       surprised that the persecutors have. refused to confirm my identification       of them; by doing so, they implicitly admit that my guess was. right.              "No determination in your favour". says the Security Service Tribunal              In 1997,. I made a complaint to the Security Service Tribunal, giving only       the bare outlines of my case. I do not think it would have. made very much       difference. if Id made a much more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal       has no ability to perform investigatory functions. It can. only ask MI5 if       they have an interest in a subject, to which MI5 are of course free. to be       "economical with the truth". A couple of. months after my complaint the       Tribunal replied. that;              The Security Service. Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and       have asked me to inform you that no determination in your. favour has been       made. on your complaint.              Needless to say this reply didnt surprise me in the slightest.. It is a       well established fact that the. secret service are a den of liars and the       Tribunal a toothless watchdog, so to see them. conforming to these       stereotypes might be. disappointing but unsurprising.              It is noteworthy that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff. information       on. whether the "no determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to       have no interest in. him, or whether they claim their interest is       "justified". In the 1997 report of the Security Service. Commissioner he       writes that "The ambiguity of the terms in. which the notification of the       Tribunals decision is expressed is intentional", since. a less ambiguous       answer would indicate to the plaintiff whether he were indeed. under MI5       surveillance. But I note that the ambiguity. also allows MI5 to get away       with lying. to the question of their interest in me; they can claim to the       Tribunal that they have no interest, but at a future date, when. it becomes       clear that they did. indeed place me under surveillance and harassment,       they can claim their. interest was "justified" - and the Tribunal will       presumably not admit that in their previous reply MI5 claimed to have. no       interest.              "He doesnt know. who we are"              In early January 1996 I flew on a. British Airways jet from London to       Montreal; also present on the plane, about three or four rows. behind me,       were two. young men, one of them fat and voluble, the other silent. It was       quite clear that these two had. been planted on the aircraft to "wind me       up". The. fat youth described the town in Poland where I had spent       Christmas, and. made some unpleasant personal slurs against me. Most       interestingly, he said the words, "he doesnt know who we. are".              Now I find this particular form. of words very interesting, because while       it is not. a clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt at denial       of my guess that "they". = "MI5". Had my guess been wrong, the fat youth       would surely have said so more clearly. What he was. trying to do was to       half-deny something he knew to be true, and he. was limited to making       statements which he knew to be. not false; so he made a lukewarm denial       which on the face of it means nothing, but in fact acts as. a confirmation       of my guess of who "they". are.              On one of. the other occasions when I saw the persecutors in person, on the       BA flight to Toronto in June 1993, one of the group of. four men said, "if       he tries to run away well find him".. But the other three stayed totally       quiet and avoided eye. contact. They did so to avoid being apprehended and       identified - since if they were identified,. their employers would have       been revealed, and it would become known that it was. the secret services       who were behind. the persecution.              Why are MI5 So. Afraid to admit their involvement?              If you think about it, what has been going on in Britain for. the last nine       years is simply beyond belief. The British declare themselves to. be       "decent" by definition, so when they engage in indecent. activities such as       the persecution of a mentally ill. person, their decency "because were       British" is still in. the forefront of their minds, and a process of mental       doublethink kicks in, where their. antisocial and indecent activities are       blamed on the victim "because its his fault were. persecuting him", and       their self-regard and self-image. of decency remains untarnished. As       remarked in another article some time ago,. this process is basically the       same as a large number of. Germans employed fifty years ago against Slavic       "untermenschen" and the Jewish "threat" - the Germans declared,. "Germans       are known to be decent and the minorities are at fault for what we do. to       them" - so they were able to retain. the view of themselves as being       "decent".              Now suppose this entire episode had happened. in some other country. The       British have a poor view of. the French, so lets say it had all happened in       France. Suppose there was a Frenchman, of non-French. extraction, who was       targeted by the French internal security apparatus, for. the dubious       amusement of French television newscasters, and. tortured for 9 years with       various sexual and other verbal abuse and. taunts of "suicide". Suppose       this all came out into the open.. Naturally, the French authorities would       try hard to. place the blame on their victim - and in their own country,       through the same state-controlled media. which the authorities employ as       instruments of torture, their view might prevail. - but what on earth would       people overseas make of their actions? Where would. their "decency" be       then?              This is why MI5 are so afraid to admit theyre. behind the       persecution. Because if they did admit. responsibility, then they would be       admitting that there was an action against. me - and if the truth came out,       then the walls would. come tumbling down. And if the persecutors were to       admit they were from. MI5, then you can be sure I would report the       fact; and the persecutors support would fall away, among the. mass media as       well as among the general public. When I started identifying MI5. as the       persecutors. in 1995 and 1996 there was a sharp reduction in media       harassment, since. people read my internet newsgroup posts and knew I was       telling the. truth. The persecutors cannot deny my claim that theyre MI5,       because then I would report. their denial and they would be seen as liars -       but they cannot admit it either, as. that would puncture their campaign       against. me. So they are forced to maintain a ridiculous silence on the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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