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   92natalkak@gmail.com to All   
   Re: Have you been slandered on the Inter   
   11 Jul 07 17:47:25   
   
   XPost: alt.auto.parts.wanted, alt.banjo, alt.consumers.free-stuff   
      
   92natalkak@gmail.com   
   Użytkownik "Tom Potter"  napisał w wiadomości   
   news:468cd4e6$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...   
   >   
   > "Art Deco"  wrote in message   
   > news:040720071304221026%erfc@caballista.org...   
   >> Tom Potter  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>"jcon"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:1183469789.392869.183060@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...   
   >>>> On Jul 1, 7:00 am, "Tom Potter"  wrote:   
   >>>>> As can be seen from the post listed below,   
   >>>>> and reading the newsgroups,   
   >>>>> about 10 or 15 bigots and sociopaths   
   >>>>> try to control the opinions, ideas, and information   
   >>>>> expressed on the Internet,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nobody controls information on the internet.  As you've shown, any   
   >>>> idiot can post whatever nonsense he or she wants.  No one   
   >>>> would *dream* of stopping you, because you're so damn entertaining   
   >>>> to ridicule.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> by banding together and voting their victims   
   >>>>> the dubious "Awards" listed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And this "controls information"...how, exactly?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Note that Pinku-Sensei, Kadaitcha Man, and Art Deco   
   >>>>> are responsible for most of the "nominations" and "seconding",   
   >>>>> and in fact almost all of the nominating and seconding,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> and that even though they will spam scores of newsgroups   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Whereas I notice you've limited yourself to a mere half   
   >>>> a score for this one. Kudos for your self-control.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> with hundreds of posts trying to round up votes for their victims,   
   >>>>> they rarely get more than 10 or 15 others to join them.,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Gosh, doesn't sound like they're controlling a hell of a lot   
   >>>> then, does it?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> and note that after they finish their nominating, seconding and   
   >>>>> voting,   
   >>>>> they will spam scores of newsgroups   
   >>>>> with hundreds of posts announcing the results of their votes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If this bothers you so much, I have one word: killfile   
   >>>> (or is that two words?)   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> As a few bigots and sociopaths   
   >>>>> inhibit timid folks from posting their opinions and ideas,   
   >>>>> and as bold folks who post opinions and ideas and information   
   >>>>> that the bigots want to suppress are slandered,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> it is clear that something has to be done to prevent   
   >>>>> a few bigots, some with race, religion and political motives,   
   >>>>> from controlling the free exchange of ideas on the Internet.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I am collecting the names of folks slandered on the Internet,   
   >>>>> and if enough folks will support the effort,   
   >>>>> my attorney will file Class Action suits against   
   >>>>> any Political Party, Religious group, Lobbying Group,   
   >>>>> company, etc. who is paying people   
   >>>>> to slander folks on the Internet,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So you think that Pinku-Sensei, Kadaitcha Man,   
   >>>> Art Deco, et al are being *paid* to slander you?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I believe you suffer from what is known at   
   >>>> "delusions of relevance".   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> and he will have local attorneys file multiple suits   
   >>>>> in the Small Claims Courts against   
   >>>>> the most active individual slanderers.   
   >>>>> (In other words, if an active individual slanderer   
   >>>>> slanders 20 people, he will file 20 small claims   
   >>>>> against that person.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ummm... yeah...Good luck with that.  If nothing   
   >>>> else, maybe you'll inspire a new award - the   
   >>>> "Legal Eagle" or some such.   
   >>>   
   >>>It appears that "jcon" does not comprehend that   
   >>>although Swiftboating people works,   
   >>>that it is a negative social force,   
   >>>   
   >>>and that "jcon" thinks that it is natural, good, and proper to   
   >>>institutionalize the "Jimmy Cartering", "Mel Gibsoning"   
   >>>and "Swift Boating" people, products, companies, organizations   
   >>>and private individuals on the Internet,   
   >>>   
   >>>For the last hundred plus years,   
   >>>a small group of people at Time Magazine,   
   >>>the New York Times, and the Washington Post,   
   >>>have effectively controlled and manipulated society   
   >>>and instigated conflicts and wars for personal power and profit.   
   >>>   
   >>>The Internet has diluted their power,   
   >>>and it remains to be seen, if Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc.   
   >>>or independent or paid bigots operating out of boiler-rooms   
   >>>will be able to use the Internet to impose their agenda's   
   >>>upon the larger society. So far the Internet Companies   
   >>>have been clean but the bigots have been loud and active.   
   >>>   
   >>>Gore was "Gore'd" for "inventing the Internet".   
   >>>Carter was "Carter'ed" for voicing his informed opinion.   
   >>>Gibson was "Gibsoned" for saying what seems apparent.   
   >>>And over the last six years I have seen hundreds of people   
   >>>slandered for opposing Religious War instigations.   
   >>>   
   >>>How much of this was institutionalized.   
   >>>and can be traced to some religious group, political party, etc?   
   >>>   
   >>>Regarding "jcon's comment:   
   >>>"So you think that Pinku-Sensei, Kadaitcha Man,   
   >>>Art Deco, et al are being *paid* to slander you?"   
   >>>   
   >>>No. I think that most of the 15 regulars in alt.kook   
   >>>*** at this time *** are bigots, and sociopaths, and   
   >>>low self-esteem people looking for a cheap ego trip.   
   >>>   
   >>>As can be seen, almost all of them are anonymous,   
   >>>use high sounding handles, and are not too bright,   
   >>>   
   >>>but the danger is that the methods they use, can be  used   
   >>>by political parties, religions, companies, lobbies, and nations   
   >>>to control the expression of opinions on the Internet.   
   >>>(To intuitionalism bigotry.)   
   >>>   
   >>>I will be promoting the use of Class Action suits   
   >>>against companies and organizations that   
   >>>use the Internet to "Swiftboat" and "Jimmy Carter"   
   >>>people, and the Small Claims courts to go after   
   >>>the individual bigots and sociopaths who   
   >>>systematically attack messengers rather than address messages,   
   >>>to call attention to the people that do this, or might do this,   
   >>>to sensitize as many folks as possible to what can be   
   >>>done to eliminate this very potential problem.   
   >>>   
   >>>Will I have my attorney institute a Class Action suit   
   >>>against companies and organizations who   
   >>>slander folks on the Internet   
   >>>to control the free expression of opinions, ideas.   
   >>>   
   >>>Yes, if I find good evidence that any company is doing this,   
   >>>and there are enough people slandered to make the effort worth pursuing.   
   >>>   
   >>>Will I push the filing of Small Claims against individual   
   >>>bigots who systematically slander folks?   
   >>>   
   >>>Probably not, as it is not worth the trouble,   
   >>>but if I hype the idea, perhaps some enterprising person   
   >>>will put up a Web site and serve as a clearing house   
   >>>to track down the real names and addresses of   
   >>>people on the net who habitually slander folks.   
   >>>   
   >>>I am sure that many people would pay money to find out   
      
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