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   From: william.black@hotmail.co.uk   
      
   "David"  wrote in message   
   news:1188854616.853180.62350@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Sep 3, 2:08 pm, "William Black"    
   > wrote:   
   >> "David"  wrote in message   
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   >> news:1188846116.317278.248240@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...   
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   >> > On Sep 3, 11:49 am, "William Black"    
   >> > wrote:   
   >> >> "David"  wrote in message   
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   >> >>news:1188838122.974239.224530@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...   
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   >> >> > On Sep 3, 5:12 am, "William Black"    
   >> >> > wrote:   
   >> >> >> "Turenne"  wrote in message   
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   >> >> >>news:1188813058.985584.162140@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...   
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   >> >> >> > Nicholas III wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >>In particular most British Aristocrats are not addressed by their   
   >> >> >> >>title   
   >> >> >> >>followed by their first name.   
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   >> >> >> > Only sons of marquesses and dukes. Also knights and baronets and   
   >> >> >> > daughters of dukes, marquesses and earls   
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   >> >> >> Knights are not aristocrats.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> They are commoners.   
   >>   
   >> >> > "Aristocrat" isn't a technical term, or an equivalent for "peer".   
   >> >> > The   
   >> >> > vast majority of aristocrats were and are commoners (as the British   
   >> >> > understand the term).  All it means is "upper class", sometimes with   
   >> >> > the restriction "upper class by inheritance of several generations".   
   >> >> > What an "aristocrat" was in, say, France or Germany, is another   
   >> >> > matter   
   >> >> > entirely.   
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   >> >> OK.   
   >>   
   >> >> Knights remain commoners.   
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   >> >> An aristocrat,  to my mind,  is someone who inherits a title.   
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   >> > Then that would exclude the late Diana Spencer Windsor.   
   >>   
   >> I thought she had a title because of who her daddy was.   
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   >> She was 'The Lady Diana Spencer'   
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   >> She will have regained her courtesy title on her divorce.   
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   > A courtesy title isn't an hereditary property any more than a title   
   > obtained by marriage is; it's not inherited, it's attributed by virtue   
   > of one's family connections, a way of expressing the fact that the   
   > person with the title resides within the penumbra of another person   
   > who actually does possess a title as an hereditary property.  Had   
   > Diana had children by a later marriage, they would not have inherited   
   > a "Spencer" title.   
   >   
      
   Wouldn't they have been 'The Hon'?   
      
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   William Black   
      
      
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   I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate   
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