XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android   
   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   Paul M. Cook  wrote   
   > Rod Speed wrote   
      
   >> They understand them fine. Its you that doesn’t understand   
   >> that the accident stats are completely dominated by the   
   >> massive reduction seen due to better roads and more   
   >> recently the lack of a need to report all accidents.   
      
   > Nope.   
      
   Yep.   
      
   > The *timing* is another issue you have to talk yourself out of.   
      
   No talking out of involved. You have no idea about   
   the timing of when enough stupid enough to talk   
   on their phones while driving happened.   
      
   > The timing of cellphone ownership   
   > doesn't show one bit in the data.   
      
   Cellphone ownership is completely irrelevant.   
      
   The ONLY thing that matters is TALKING   
   ON THE PHONE WHILE DRIVING.   
      
   > Fancy that.   
      
   > So, not only do the *numbers*   
      
   You have no numbers with TALKING ON THE PHONE WHILE DRIVING.   
      
   > not show up in the real data, but the   
   > timing of the numbers doesn't show up.   
      
   > That's two key nails in the coffin of the argument   
   > that cellphone ownership has any effect whatsoever   
   > on the overall accident rate in the USA.   
      
   No one said anything about OWNERSHIP except you.   
      
   What matters is TALKING ON THE PHONE WHILE DRIVING.   
      
   > Remember, I'm *looking* for good data because "I" believe   
   > that there should be *something* (anything!) indicating that   
   > cellphone "use" is distracting enough to cause increased accidents.   
      
   Not when its swamped by the dramatic reduction in accidents   
   due to better road design, particularly fully divided highways etc.   
      
   > However, the good data shows there is no increase in accidents.   
      
   Because the accident rate is swamped by the dramatic reduction in accidents   
   due to better road design, particularly fully divided highways etc.   
      
   > Nobody can escape seeing the elephant in the room.   
      
   There is no elephant and no room either.   
      
   Just your ignorance of the most basic statistics and   
   the complete lack of any real stats on how many are   
   actually stupid enough to talk on the phone will driving.   
      
   Even those convicted of doing that isn't very useful   
   because it is impossible to separate out how much   
   emphasis the cops put on catching people doing   
   that and how much of it happens anyway.   
      
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