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   XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android   
   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   Paul M. Cook  wrote   
   > Rod Speed wrote   
      
   >>> You can't even tell if the cellphone was being   
   >>> *used* during an accident for a bunch of reasons   
      
   >> You can actually if you know the time of the accident accurately   
      
   > Think about that.   
      
   Don’t need to, I already did that.   
      
   > In order to know if a cellphone was being *used* at the time   
   > of the accident, you need to know the time of the accident.   
      
   I included the word ACCURATELY for a reason.   
      
   > There are two *huge* problems with that information.   
      
   > 1. Nobody is holding a stopwatch during an accident,   
      
   Don’t need to when the cellphone activity can be seen   
   to stop abruptly at about the time the accident happened.   
      
   >   and it's (possible, but) unlikely to find a watch or clock in   
   >   the car that suddenly stops at the time of the accident, so   
   >   the time of the accident is usually a guess   
      
   Not when the GPS log shows that.   
      
   >   (although, with OnStar systems and GPS tracking, that guess   
   >   can be better than a guess by humans would likely be).   
      
   And all you need when you can see cellphone activity at that time.   
      
   > 2. You have to narrow down the use of the mobile device which   
   >   is hard to do. For example, if someone was holding the phone   
   >   looking up a contact when the accident occurred, there would   
   >   be no record of that. Likewise, in a hundred other situations   
   >   using the cellphone, there would be no record of such use.   
      
   But when there is recorded cellphone use at the time of the   
   accident and there is only one person in that car, you can   
   be quite confident that the cellphone was being used.   
      
   > 3. People lie.   
      
   And dashcams don’t.   
      
   > 4. The police don't subpoena the cellphone anyway, in   
   >   most accidents (and legally, they can't take it from you,   
   >   even if they take it when/if they arrest you, they still can't   
   >   look at it for evidence in the USA, as per the Supreme Court).   
      
   They don’t need to have the cellphone to work out if it was being used.   
      
   > So, cellphone *use* which *causes* accidents   
   > (due to distraction) is impossible data.   
      
   Pigs arse it is.   
      
   > Anyone who quotes what they feel is reliable data on   
   > cellphone use during an accident is either a fool, or   
   > just plain stupid, because that data just does not exist   
      
   Another lie.   
      
   > (and may never exist).   
      
   > It wouldn't be impossible to obtain, by the way, as GPS   
   > breadcrumbs can be used to track the time of the accident,   
      
   And dashcams in spades.   
      
   > and *some* cellphone use leaves a   
   > breadcrumb (e.g., texting and dialing);   
      
   So most cellphone use in fact.   
      
   > however, most cellphone use leaves no   
   > breadcrumb (e.g., looking up contacts).   
      
   I don’t look up contacts, I tell Siri to call who   
   I want to talk to.   
      
   And when I don’t use Siri I don’t look up contact   
   very often at all, I call them using the recent calls   
   list the absolute vast bulk of the time.   
      
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