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   From: g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies   
      
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     Les Cargill  wrote:   
   > (PeteCresswell) wrote:   
   >> Per Jolly Roger:   
   >>> Irrelevant. He has a degree. And a degree is not a reliable indication of   
   >>> how smart you are.   
   >>   
   >> I'll go along with that....   
   >>   
   >> But would also think that it's a pretty good indication that the   
   >> person's IQ is above room temperature - and that they have better   
   >> critical thinking skills than a non-college graduate.   
   >>   
   >> OTOH, there's Ben Carson and his belief that the earth was created less   
   >> than 10,000 years ago and that men walked with dinosaurs.... So I guess   
   >> the critical thinking part is not exactly ironclad...... -)   
   >>   
      
   > Ben Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist, which entails some pretty   
   > non-mainstream beliefs. We have these things partly because America   
   > was a place where people who were hounded out of civilization   
   > because of non-mainstream beliefs could find a place to live here,   
   > and because once they got off the beaten track, they were in a small   
   > isolated lagoon where they could grow.   
      
   > I have older relatives who are Adventists, and they're very gentle,   
   > hardworking, honest people. They're generally more literate   
   > than most. A couple are fine artists ( I was named for one )   
   > and this does not limit them in any way I've been able to find.   
      
   > At some point after/during the 1960s, it became more and more   
   > commonplace for people of faith to reject what they perceive as   
   > ( or are told is ) "secular society". IMO, as the sheer quantity of BS   
   > form television built up, people just didn't want to be associated   
   > with the mainstream any more.   
      
   > Aren't we privileged to not have to worry about that?   
      
   > There was a time when it was expected that medical people were basically   
   > scientists of a sort. No longer. It's just ticket-punching until   
   > they get to the specialty  training. It's "is this gonna be on the test"   
   > for all those years...   
      
   >> That is not to say it works the other way.   
   >>   
   >> To wit: the Amish.  Extremely low educational attainment, yet - as my #1   
   >> daughter-the-farmer observes "They know how money works"... and the ones   
   >> I have interacted with are clearly nobody's fool.   
   >>   
      
   > During say, the 19th Century, you could have said the same of Harvard.   
      
   > The Amish may have low *secular* educational attainment, but   
   > they work pretty hard at their own version of liturgical   
   > and religious-philosophy learning. I have relatives ( who are   
   > not Amish) who didn't make it past high school, but continued   
   > their education through a church who might surprise you   
   > by the sorts of things they do know because of this.   
      
   His religious believes to not excuse his claim that the pyramids of   
   Egypt were built to store grain. Much less that they were built 2,000   
   years ago for that purpose.   
      
   --   
   It's like looking for the farmer's daughter in a haystack, and finding   
   the needle.   
      
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